Gibbo are the 7950's actually selling?

[straxusii]

If you had £500 to spend on a graphics card but were given two choices: 3GB GTX 580 or 3GB 7970. What would you buy?.

Neither as they are both massively overpriced, you'd get something cheap and wait for kepler to hopefully bring some sense to the mid to high end pricing.

 

[Marine-RX179]

Funny that. When some reviews compared the 3GB HD7970 to the 1.5GB GTX580 nVidia fans went nuts saying its not a fair comparison (reasonable point at high resolution) so it is fair to compare 3GB to 3GB and that includes price.

Actually I was one of those people that said that, and I wasn't the only AMD user that said that...so don't turn it into a "Nvidia fanboy" thing. The reviews were NOT a fair comparison, because most of them were pretty much 3GB vs 1.5GB at 2560 or 5780 res (3 screens) with AA applied to pretty much ensure the 1.5GB on the GTX580 wouldn't be enough, and the comparison for 1920 res was helpfully missing

 

[straxusii]

We've sold 11 in last 24hrs, not amazing, but steady sales. AMD have been informed of desired price points which need hitting. Whether they will do anything remains unseen.

Because in last 24hrs ZERO 580's and 570's have sold.

Fair play to you Gibbo for coming out publicly with those figures, I wonder how many 5850s you sold in the same period post launch?

 

[chaparral]

Bit off topic..

But i wonder how well harddrives are selling these days with there high prices...

 

[xsistor]

It's not reasonable to claim 7950/7970 are overpriced. They are priced very well compared to GTX 580/570/6970 pricing. They are unimpressive considering it's 28nm new gen. But they are hardly overpriced...

... at least until circumstances change and kepler arrives. It is unlikely 580s and 570s will drop in price, not because they're worth their current prices (they're not given what the 7950 sells for), but because they're most likely low on stock everywhere and so will shift slowly. At any rate 580/570 sales are likely not critical to NVIDIA at this point, so I don't expect prices to drop.

 

[rare]

I like Gibbo's honesty. At least he doesn't spout some general clap trap just gives it to you straight.

 

[iB CoMpL3XiTy]

Actually I was one of those people that said that, and I wasn't the only AMD user that said that...so don't turn it into a "Nvidia fanboy" thing. The reviews were NOT a fair comparison, because most of them were pretty much 3GB vs 1.5GB at 2560 or 5780 res (3 screens) with AA applied to pretty much ensure the 1.5GB on the GTX580 wouldn't be enough, and the comparison for 1920 res was helpfully missing

Yeah true, my mistake it wasn't a fair comparison no matter what your preference is.

 

[J.D]

hey see my post where I quoted gibbo, nvidia need to slash the prices of the their current gen cards ie the 580/570.

Yes nvidia are to blame for the current set of prices along with AMD. for the record I got my cards around release time, but I pretty much paid half of what they was by playing the waiting game.

I'm not sure of the same game will work this time round, we will have to see.

faints* *just a little light headed this time You are seriously pulling my leg?.

Jokes lol. Thank you for being reasonable. It was really starting to get to me (posts over the last month) as I see it as Nvidia starting something wrong regarding pricing and now AMD are following suit. It actually feels like (from the posts I've read here recently) that it's been AMD doing this all along but Nvidia have been the one releasing the best budget cards. It was only 1 year ago the 6950 was out and unlocked (for well over 90%) of the people and came close to a GTX 580 for around half the price.

Now AMD have the fastest card and are doing what Nvidia have done for a bit longer than one year.

Nice one on getting your cards cheap. I got this 6950 for £200 at OCUK a year ago. I paid only £220-£240 for my 8800GTX (late to buy as I was a bit skint back then). So I do see why people are annoyed because they are used to AMD giving them their hot chocolate and mini marshmallows lol. I'm glad you see it as I do and I don't mean I need your acceptance. Just that I know you have preferred Nvidia but respect for seeing it like it is .

Neither as they are both massively overpriced, you'd get something cheap and wait for kepler to hopefully bring some sense to the mid to high end pricing.

I do not mean to be rude but please read again. You didn't have that option....

 

[chaparral]

nvidia need to slash the prices of the their current gen cards ie the 580/570..

Am sure ocuk could do you a tenner off deal if you buy 2 of these

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-145-EA&groupid=701&catid=1914&subcat=1812

 

[J.D]

It's not reasonable to claim 7950/7970 are overpriced. They are priced very well compared to GTX 580/570/6970 pricing. They are unimpressive considering it's 28nm new gen. But they are hardly overpriced...

... at least until circumstances change and kepler arrives. It is unlikely 580s and 570s will drop in price, not because they're worth their current prices (they're not given what the 7950 sells for), but because they're most likely low on stock everywhere and so will shift slowly. At any rate 580/570 sales are likely not critical to NVIDIA at this point, so I don't expect prices to drop.

I agree, they are priced accordingly. A little more expensive than what we're used to from AMD but it's been a while since they've been on top. With Nvidia's pricing over time it's led to the only move AMD could make IMO with the 79-- pricing.

I'm going to leave my impressions on the new architecture and performance of the 28nm until Kepler arrives though. If I slated AMD without knowledge of Kepler then I might end up shooting myself in the foot but you have more knowledge when it comes to the inner workings of the GPU, like Duff-Man. I need to read and learn but I'm lazy .

If stock is that low of Nvidia then yeah I can see why you think they will not drop. I still think it's insane not to have dropped them a week prior to the launch of the 7970 which would have also affected sales. I know the stock will go eventually and maybe even have to drop price if it's not selling but, the affect of sales towards 7900 series cards would have been the main point and most damaging. What do we know as consumers though .

 

[Locky]

I will defend nvidia little bit here, the 580 3GB was meant to be an outrageous select few can afford product at the time and it was priced accordingly (all be it overpriced), what AMD shouldn't have done is priced it against nvidia's silly card (yes we know it's faster and all that) but a next gen card should be.

AMD on the other hand can and did price it against nvidia's silly card - weather this is right or wrong, only the market will show, and from my view at the moment it was the wrong choice, ok they are selling but the sales if you are being honest are a bit meh...

 

[Final8y]

We've sold 11 in last 24hrs, not amazing, but steady sales. AMD have been informed of desired price points which need hitting. Whether they will do anything remains unseen.

Because in last 24hrs ZERO 580's and 570's have sold.


As such AMD may consider all is well as am sure that sales worldwide are still quite impressive and still more so for AMD if it has stopped punters buying the competing cards from NVIDIA.

Thankfully were now very low on stock on 580/570 and whats left we can just build PC's with, but it would be nice if NVIDIA dropped pricing.

While many were assuming the price, the other possibility is simply that most people really don't need to up grade and at the worst time of the year which was something i thought was the most likely all along.

But there are some that would just because they can and don't want to pay full price for something they don't really need with the current games so are moaning because they have been deprived of doing something that they don't really need as they would feel guilty of paying out for it, so please make it cheaper than the slower card from the competition as it would not look so bad buying it, as it would be considered a bargain even though it was not needed as it would make people feel less guilty.

 

[Emlyn_Dewar]

Neither as they are both massively overpriced, you'd get something cheap and wait for kepler to hopefully bring some sense to the mid to high end pricing.

I don't understand why everyone is expecting Nvidia to come out with extremely low prices.
All this will lead to is disappointment as prices will always be higher than the magic figure people hold in their mind.

If Kepler performs better than AMDs cards, then Nvidia will price it accordingly...

 

[Final8y]

Neither as they are both massively overpriced, you'd get something cheap and wait for kepler to hopefully bring some sense to the mid to high end pricing.

Which i said when all this price this and that first started, so why are some people moaning at one side.

 

[kitch9]

I will defend nvidia little bit here, the 580 3GB was meant to be an outrageous select few can afford product at the time and it was priced accordingly (all be it overpriced), what AMD shouldn't have done is priced it against nvidia's silly card (yes we know it's faster and all that) but a next gen card should be.

AMD on the other hand can and did price it against nvidia's silly card - weather this is right or wrong, only the market will show, and from my view at the moment it was the wrong choice, ok they are selling but the sales if you are being honest are a bit meh...

I'm struggling to understand what a silly card is.

 

[wolvers]

They are appropriately priced though. Thanks to Nvidia.

If you had £500 to spend on a graphics card but were given two choices: 3GB GTX 580 or 3GB 7970. What would you buy?.

If you had £360 to spend and were given only two choices: 1.5GB GTX 580 or 1.5GB 7950. What would you buy?. (This is assuming the 1.5GB 7950 is affected by high resolution gaming due to 1.5GB)

They could have released the cards that low but why?. You wouldn't if it were your business so why expect AMD to do it?. Also I know the GTX 580 has been out for ages but that should be looked at as why are Nvidia NOT dropping prices to be aggressive towards AMD?. Why are Nvidia not dropping the GTX 580 1.5GB and 3GB cards so it makes the choice a no brainer?. If Nvidia dropped the price of the GTX 580s it could really hurt 7970 sales. Why are Nvidia not doing so?.

So am I fair to assume that Nvidia are missing the boat here?. Am I fair to assume that Nvidia's high pricing of their cards have led AMD to push higher for having the fastest card on the planet than they usually do?. It seems as it's all AMD's fault but people have either short or selective memory.

I'd agree with all of that and I think it's resulting in a bit of a stalemate right now. Nvidia won't lower their prices because they won't want the scenario where stock sells out and they don't have a product on the shelves before the replacement range appears. AMD won't reduce prices because their cards are selling (and increasing their market share by the sound of it) and have priced their current product to match the current market, quite competitively as well with faster cards for roughly the same price. I'm sure they're just waiting, and saving their inevitable price reductions for when the new Nvidia cards are released as even if they're not selling like hot cakes now, they will when people see the reduced prices.

AMD seem to be in the driving seat right now, it'll be interesting to see what happens when Kepler appears.

 

[J.D]

I will defend nvidia little bit here, the 580 3GB was meant to be an outrageous select few can afford product at the time and it was priced accordingly (all be it overpriced), what AMD shouldn't have done is priced it against nvidia's silly card (yes we know it's faster and all that) but a next gen card should be.

AMD on the other hand can and did price it against nvidia's silly card - weather this is right or wrong, only the market will show, and from my view at the moment it was the wrong choice, ok they are selling but the sales if you are being honest are a bit meh...

I agree sales are dire in comparison to previous launches but, do you think that is due to the global economy starting to leak?. Pricing for everything has increased, including heating and electricity. Inflation is hitting what it wasn't meant to etc. I think that has more to do with the sales than anything. Didn't you see the thread recently when a member here posted back GTX 480 prices?. Well they were in the £400 mark. Actually some were a lot more expensive than todays 7970 . Did they sell?. Yes and I think some of that was down to the world being in a better place then than it is now but this is only my opinion. The 6900 series came along and trades blows with the GTX 480, running cooler and drawing less power for nearly half the price until Nvidia had to do something about it (GTX 5 series and weee goes the GTX 4 series pricing).

Also were the GTX 580 1.5GB cards not £400+ plus on launch?. I'm sure they were. They dropped prices as again the 69-- series was making it look a terrible buy for those concerned with finances.

If AMD had priced their card at £375 for 7970 and £325 for 7950 3GB then it would have made Nvidia look greedy. Now with the pricing it seems to me like AMD are in agreement of Nvidia's pricing and want what Nvidia have had, the premium price for having the best card in the world. Yes it was Nvidia who brought out the 3GB silly priced cards. Now AMD are giving Nvidia a high five making "cha-ching" noises together in harmony.

 

[Final8y]

I don't understand why everyone is expecting Nvidia to come out with extremely low prices.
All this will lead to is disappointment as prices will always be higher than the magic figure people hold in their mind.

If Kepler performs better than AMDs cards, then Nvidia will price it accordingly...

75% very likely.

The gravy train is over for the time being.

 

[wolvers]

I don't understand why everyone is expecting Nvidia to come out with extremely low prices.
All this will lead to is disappointment as prices will always be higher than the magic figure people hold in their mind.

If Kepler performs better than AMDs cards, then Nvidia will price it accordingly...

That's very possible. Isn't it odd that we're all hoping that Nvidia will be the one to reduce the overall price range?!

 

[J.D]

I'd agree with all of that and I think it's resulting in a bit of a stalemate right now. Nvidia won't lower their prices because they won't want the scenario where stock sells out and they don't have a product on the shelves before the replacement range appears. AMD won't reduce prices because their cards are selling (and increasing their market share by the sound of it) and have priced their current product to match the current market, quite competitively as well with faster cards for roughly the same price. I'm sure they're just waiting, and saving their inevitable price reductions for when the new Nvidia cards are released as even if they're not selling like hot cakes now, they will when people see the reduced prices.

AMD seem to be in the driving seat right now, it'll be interesting to see what happens when Kepler appears.

I hope Kepler gives them a slight beating or takes a slight beating as it will drive the losing card down a fair bit while having a card that is nearly as fast as the opposition for a fair bit cheaper to lure potential sales. A massive beating will push premiums that little bit further and fuel loyalty wars...

I think so too, wait to see what Kepler brings and price accordingly. Charge the premium for as you said "AMD seem to be in the driving seat right now" to which I agree also. It is strange AMD having the lead with no competition as of yet and it's nearly been a month already .

I don't like what AMD have done with this new found power of theirs..........but it's not about what I like or I want. I've just had it good and now it's came to the end.

(The bold highlight is not for you Wolvers, just making a point for others to read)

That's very possible. Isn't it odd that we're all hoping that Nvidia will be the one to reduce the overall price range?!

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