nah its idiots who get people to rear end them for a claim and uninsured drivers that cause that mainly
Coach near miss on the M11
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nah its idiots who get people to rear end them for a claim and uninsured drivers that cause that mainly
same scenario on the A1 from Bradbury services North, mind I did have to follow a mini absolutely petrified of the conditions and doing 20mph! on the big incline causing more trouble for everyone else trying to get up the hill.
I was out on Saturday when the snow came down and I had to drive around everywhere at around 10mph else the car would do a Torvill and Dean so God knows how the numpties in the vid can keep on doing the speeds that they are doing.
For me a wiggle of the car is the message I need to slow down.
For me a wiggle of the car is the message I need to slow down.
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Not suprised its a national express coach they drive light idiots all the time, the maount of times ive been driving at rush hour doing about 65 with one of them right up behind me.
I don't think they are actually "speeding" though. As in, breaking the posted limit.
They are all driving far, FAR too fast for the conditions but it's crap like this that needs to get highlighted to all the speed limit nazis who think that as long as you are driving slower than the posted limit, you are safe.
They are all driving far, FAR too fast for the conditions but it's crap like this that needs to get highlighted to all the speed limit nazis who think that as long as you are driving slower than the posted limit, you are safe.
Exactly - and I expect the majority of people on this forum would feel the same way. You can just "tell" that floaty feeling when you're going slightly too fast on the snow.
Other people are the only thing that worries me about the snow, I've no worry about going out even in relatively deep stuff and going slowly and steadily. It's the other idiots that worry me...
For example in the snow last winter, I was pottering down the inside (and relatively clear) lane on a local DC at about 30mph. It was snowing, and the carriageway was white and uneven. Even at this speed the steering felt lighter than normal, and the car was on my limit of safety. Halfway down the road, another car shot past in the outside lane (which was snowier than the inside) doing nearly twice my speed (between 50-60 at a guess). His car was skittish and was sliding from bump to bump in the ice, never quite going in a straight line. When we got to the roundabout at the end of the DC, he locked his brakes straight up, slid straight on for a while, then gave up and just slid onto the roundabout - totally straightlining it, and only just making it off the other side.
If there was another car there, there would have been a smash. As there wasn't, he didn't have a crash, and so he learns that what he did was acceptable.
This is what you see in the video - people going far too fast, and narrowly avoiding a crash through sheer luck. That behaviour registers in the brain as fine. They will eventually be caught out - and I hope I'm not in the way!
It sounds daft, but I learnt that from playing Forza. I'm sure people will now leap on me saying "OMG YOU CAN'T LEARN TO DRIVE IN A GAME" but it was that that really put it in my head that when the wheels slip you need to slow down, rather than speed up. Given what people have said about seeing people wheel spinning wildly, flooring it, it seems that's not a totally uncommon misconception. Now I think I'm a bit more aware that when you feel the steering just give that bit too much, or feel a wheel not taking and the car sliding that little bit, and you know you're losing grip and you need to straighten up, or slow down, or you're going into a wall. I guess finding out the "hard" way putting an R8 into the wall of the Nurburgring at 150mph, and learning how to handle the car better there has taught me something that I can relate to in the real world.
FLAME ON.
I'm not going to flame you, I know what you mean actually, you don't really get the same degree of change in feel and sensation in game like you do in reality but you do feel and hear changes as best the game can represent them, which is pretty good actually.
But really I just think, be it reality or a game most people seem to have no clue at all about 'feel' when it comes to driving, they just seem to plough on. Look at the way people drive in heavy rain too, many do now slow down on motorways and A roads and will just hit bodies of standing water like they haven't even seen them, hell they probably don't even realise they are aquaplaning half the time.
But really I just think, be it reality or a game most people seem to have no clue at all about 'feel' when it comes to driving, they just seem to plough on. Look at the way people drive in heavy rain too, many do now slow down on motorways and A roads and will just hit bodies of standing water like they haven't even seen them, hell they probably don't even realise they are aquaplaning half the time.
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I would agree (as a Grand Prix Legends geek back when I was a teenager) that yes, games can teach you some key concepts of driving.
I had only the game for experience, but found gears easy when learning to drive. I remember explaining how gears worked to my instructor on my first lesson when he asked what I understood about the gearbox, generally making a decent fist of it, and being told that my use of the gears was better than many qualified drivers at the end of the lesson.
My "experience" of drifting in the sim might have saved me from crashing the one time I lost control of my car (on a wet roundabout) only in that the reaction to correct with opposite lock was an instinctive steering input. I didn't panic and draw a mental blank on the whole "steer into the slide...?" thing. I fishtailed that "save" majestically about 5 times however, so it's doubtful the sim taught me anything other than the basic concept.
iRacing with its Safety Racing system of penalising anyone who is involved in an incident regardless of blame has some of the key elements of defensive driving integral to its function - so that too could be said to be a good learning tool in terms of attitude.