For him, he was perfectly within his rights and the law (which offers protection - see the Military Whistleblower Protection Act) to blow the whistle, he just didn't do it the right way.
Bradley Manning nomiated for nobel peace price.
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For him, he was perfectly within his rights and the law (which offers protection - see the Military Whistleblower Protection Act) to blow the whistle, he just didn't do it the right way.
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Because the world would fall apart if people in positions of responsibility with a chain of command to follow simply did what they wanted to because they personally felt it was 'right'.
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they're ****ed either way soldiers aren't they?
Disobey orders and do what you feel right - locked up and vilified for not following orders.
Follow orders and do something you feels is wrong - locked up and vilified for "just following orders".
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Surely there are circumstances where it's perfectly, morally correct to ignore orders? The release of the details confirms the sun doesn't shine out of the US' backsides and we should always be putting our own Governments under the microscope.
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Personally I think he was right to leak the information but like I said above that does not excuse America detaining him without trial in cruel or unusual circumstances.
Blindly following orders was, after all, used by the Germans after the second world war.
Crap, I just invoked Godwins Law.
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I agree, however there should be some sort of system that allows any citizen to release information through an independent court system. ( e.g they can approach an independent court that can decide whether the material can be released, completely anonymously.
As I understand, if he was to go through with it legally, he would have had to get past the same people that he is being locked up by. I really doubt that the US military would just let these documents get out if it went through them.
He should not be as persecuted in the way that he is at the moment and has been for the last few years. With no access to the outside and in solitary confinement.
I think there is a difference between ignoring orders and releasing classified information to a privately owned website.
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Are you serious? He was a serving military soldier who consciously decided to steal classified military and government documents and put them out into the public domain. Regardless of what you think about his reasons for doing so, he broke the UCMJ, a code which he swore to uphold, and as such he such punished for doing so. He should just be grateful that they aren't pursuing the death penalty, because they would be well withn their rights to do so.
I can't see how Bradley Manning qualifies for a peace prize.
His whistleblowing is deeply admirable on every level, but it's more about government transparency than anything to do with peace. In fact, as far as I can see he's done nothing to promote or increase peace in any way at all. Give the guy an award for having the guts to make the truth known! He's well overdue for that.
Why? Obama has not started any wars. On the contrary, he campaigned on a promise to end the Iraq war, and he did it within his promised deadline.
No.
Firstly, the US is not 'leaving Iraq'; the US has left Iraq.
Secondly, Manning's leaks were committed in 2010 and he was arrested in the same year. That was two years after Obama had already promised to end the war and withdraw from Iraq. This withdrawal was completed on schedule in December last year. Nothing to do with Manning.
His whistleblowing is deeply admirable on every level, but it's more about government transparency than anything to do with peace. In fact, as far as I can see he's done nothing to promote or increase peace in any way at all. Give the guy an award for having the guts to make the truth known! He's well overdue for that.
Why? Obama has not started any wars. On the contrary, he campaigned on a promise to end the Iraq war, and he did it within his promised deadline.
No.
Firstly, the US is not 'leaving Iraq'; the US has left Iraq.
Secondly, Manning's leaks were committed in 2010 and he was arrested in the same year. That was two years after Obama had already promised to end the war and withdraw from Iraq. This withdrawal was completed on schedule in December last year. Nothing to do with Manning.
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He broke the law, it doesn't mean that this was morally wrong. He should be treated as fairly as possible and not the way he is at the moment. I don't know why you dislike him so much, he was morally right to do what he did but unfortunately the law thinks otherwise. He wasn't going to sit through and go every document to see what they contain, he did the best that he could do. If he went through the official channels then I have a lot of doubt anything would have made it out.
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In someway he has contributed to world peace, the American public I imagine are less happy to let their government go gun crazy at every opportunity they have. Everything he will effect will be somewhat indirect, it's difficult to know what he has changed but I am sure he has caused a long lasting impact.
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He'd actually have to get a trial to be put to death though.
