*** Official OcUK Minecraft Server - Discussion and Rules ***

Why am i closed minded, it just think it's pathetic that people are complaining over nothing. it only effects players if they have to pick on everything.

Saying that willhub if it's such a big issue that admin use what you call "cheats" then join another server.
 
yrthilian said:
Yes we also get to use creative to build something.
recently saf a maxi have their city build they have been doing
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Yeah, that's where I saw the flying going on, I thought it was an admin perk at the time, though I must admit I didn't know blocks were being created wholesale though. That to me seems a bit over the top for personal builds, seems opinion is divided on the matter.

yrthilian said:
and yes/no i didnt/did lie
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Well that's cleared that up then :)
 
Come on guys calm it down!
I was trying to have a discussion on it and now there's petty name calling and shouting...

I think we all know each others view on this matter, so I don't think we need to make it anymore...
 
There is no reason admins should be able to use creative mode, there is not one excuse provided that rightly explains the use of creative mode.

Dealing with general admin duties is not an excuse.

Mining blocks is incredibly boring, same for converting blocks using furnaces, it takes ages, and ages, and ages, and ages......

Admins not needing to do this is IMO cheating and damn right unfair and ironic considering they are admins.

Building is the fun part, if they can have creative mode then all players should be able to choose between the different modes.

I'd rather do admin duties rather than hours on end of mining, and then use creative mode because it'd be far more enjoyable than mining block after block for eternity.
 
Tostring apologies if you felt i was insulting you.

but onto Willhubs point.

Creative mode you can create any block, which means that everyone would create diamond block ect.. so there would be no point mining.

2nd it's advantage over everyone else especially all the new joiners who only getting to grips with the server and people on it, so griefing would be "very likely".

the whole point of the game is to spend time building what ever you like, creative mode would take the fun out of that. the reason why we can't use it like i said above is "griefers and being abused" as i pointed out the general population of the server no-one really cares except for the occasional 1 or 2 people. if it's that bad of an issue maybe make a pole "should admin have flymod/dup material abilities"
 
Ok, so the majority of members can use creative mode safely. I know very well there would be no point in mining.
 
Was about to say haha! This is getting way out of hand :p

As said before FT and all the other admins are going to discuss admin ruling on using creative mode etc so there will be more about that soon.

As for cheating I think there is only 4 un legit builds to my knowledge (there are a few others that have had a bit of world edit here and there but generally has been used as an Admin getting a donation reward etc). Which is something else we will be discussing :)

Another way of thinking of it from a player point of view, is the player exploits. Mob grinders, xp grinders, auto farms and the like are all exploits of the games broken mechanics. Yes, I do know these aren't at the same level of using creative mode, but its just an example of how everyone "cheats" the game systems to a certain degree. Why? To save time and make the experience easier for themselves, plus it gives them an objective to continue creating.

Again, we will be discussing about all of this creative uproar jazz and will be making guidelines to what acceptable and what isn't which will be posted once decided. So for now I would say stay off the subject as it's starting to get fairly personal which OCUK doesn't like and I very much doubt casekings does either :p

Thanks for all the feedback, this is what I was trying to get last night but it turned messy and I didn't actually get any information on the issues.
 
@ toString. I dont hate your guts (i would have to seem em first :P)
No i dont take any of this in any personal way. Players have their options
and have a right to them. But players also have a right to argue thoes opinions.

@willhub. you claim to be open minded yet are so closed minded.
it is such a shame to see that. to me you show you are snglemineded about something and that is fine but dont push your way onto other. it is almost as bad a religion.

Admins still mine. I do so for a few days a week in general
spend much time working on tickets in game and fixing things.
Yes i also used creative to do some things to my mega build.
But i would much prefer it to be as legit as i can make it.
Witht he time i have to make it with.

I have already spent over a year working on it but some think i just made it in creative.
If that is how they wish to see it that is fine still going to build it. in the way that i can.

It is a perk of being an admin to have access to thoes ablities.
It is the same on all servers that have admins.

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What maxi said :P
this is being talked about with all admins and we will come back with
something for you all to read i am sure :D
 
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Exploiting the games broken mechanics is no way an excuse for creative mode.

I won't be surprised if whatever comes from the discussion between admins creative mode will still be allowed, I foresee admins not being able to cope with the monotonous task of mining and experiencing withdrawal symptoms from creative mode.

yrthilian said:
@ toString. I dont hate your guts (i would have to seem em first :P)
No i dont take any of this in any personal way. Players have their options
and have a right to them. But players also have a right to argue thoes opinions.

@WIllHub. you claim to be open minded yet are so closed minded.
it is such a shame to see that. to me you show you are snglemineded about something and that is fine but dont push your way onto other. it is almost as bad a religion.

Admins still mine. I do so for a few days a week in general
spend much time working on tickets in game and fixing things.
Yes i also used creative to do some things to my mega build.
But i would much prefer it to be as legit as i can make it.
Witht he time i have to make it with.

I have already spent over a year working on it but some think i just made it in creative.
If that is how they wish to see it that is fine still going to build it. in the way that i can.

It is a perk of being an admin to have access to thoes ablities.
It is the same on all servers that have admins.
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I am open minded, I can see the issues with admins using creative mode, some people may not care but I do.

It's not a perk of being an admin at all.

to do "some things" to your mega build... I reckon most people who have used creative builds to do "some things" have done so much more than they're letting on, I am human you know and I was not born yesterday.

Admins can make as many excuses as they want but at the end of the day they're never going to justify cheating.
 
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Willhub, you're coming off as a bit of a broken record. Someone with a massive chip on their shoulder about nothing.

It'd be a good laugh, if it wasn't about some rules on server that doesn't belong to you.
 
Emlyn_Dewar said:
What part of this is unfair though? What are you being denied?
Could be wrong here, and please do correct me, but people might have donated to keep the server running. They haven't bought a say. Become shareholders, etc...

The rules could have it raining creepers 100% of the day, everywhere but on the admins builds. That'd still be fair. If the rules right now allow for admins to generate blocks and fly around. Fair enough.
If the rules really bother you, then there's not a lot you can do. Make your own server?

I sometimes think people need to take a step back and look at what they are arguing about.
A simple block placing game. You're arguing about flying and blocks, in a game about blocks.



It doesn't affect your build in the slightest. Yours takes the same amount of time to build as it always would have, it doesn't go slower because people are messing about. Blocks don't suddenly take 50 times longer to mine either.
In what way does it affect your build? Answer: It doesn't.
It might affect your minecraft e-penis I guess, but if that bothers you... LOL!
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I sometimes wonder why people wonder into a computer hardware related forum, get into a game's thread ONLY to complain about other people complaining about their favourite server's direction.

It seems like something only a sad person would do, taking into account that they consider the game childish and players' input as immature.

Half of the people are not arguing about anything, we're simply trying to discuss if the admins' actions are respected by the community or not. You don't play on the server/care enough, why raise your voice if your only intention is to stir this thread up a little, throwing in insults about 3-year olds and e-penises (btw, I see a dangerous pattern here...)?

How about you get lost now?
 
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@willhub
You are no longer really discussing things, you are lecturing about your own opinion - you are entitled to that but don't expect anyone to be swayed when they don't agree with your opinionated arguments - so do so in moderation.

In general it comes down to what the server should be, i see some really feel for a purist experience, but i very much doubt anyone would want to do with all the gadgets we currently have. Donation rewards, lb, build moves, teleports - that's all technically 'cheating' from a purists perspective. There are other servers for that, i don't really see this one going on that path.
In the end it all comes down to having fun, people have been a bit unhappy about what the admins should do or not - now they'll make some guidelines. We'll see if we like them or not. If we don't we can just walk away. The whole world isn't going agree on something. No reason to loose sleep over that.
 
@Mr Krugga - I don't know who that 'emlyn' guy is, but I recall him saying he was or is an admin on another MC sever. Maybe I'm wrong.. But that's my thinking/reasoning for his posts. As I said before we all know each others stance on the matter, so there's no point continually posting it...



Here is a video I just threw together. You might need a keen eye and/or 720p to fully make sense of what is going on. Sorry for the lack of production values and any black borders etc.. I was originally going to eventually make a comedy/tongue in cheek video with some bits of footage I've collected (some of the compass TP footage is certainly 'lul' :p), but it's suddenly lost its value.

As I've said before, this is a small amount of the footage I've taken. I also didn't always record, and I don't spend all my time watching the admins build. Make of that what you will.

Also I know the tower maxi was 'working' on in the video was later deleted anyway, but that's not really the point of the video.
 
As long as admins are ok screw the rest that's what it sounds like.

I think admins would react very differently if they were not admins and just general players.
 
Briefly my opinion:

Admins using 'cheats' devalues the hard work others put into their builds. Its not jealousy, i don't want shortcuts when I build, that's the game and there should be a level playing field.

Admins do put a lot of time into what goes on this is appreciated by the vast majority of players. However I cannot support the argument that because they put time in on that it is justification for using cheats in game.

Here's an analogy to think about. I used to run a NASCAR racing server for an online league and I spent tens of hours a week administering it. It sure as heck affected my racing because I never had time to practice. But just as I enjoy Umpiring my local cricket club, I also enjoyed doing the admin; so what if my setups weren't fast enough by race day, my pleasure came from providing a service to other people... The logical extension would be that I should be allowed to fudge the setup files on the server to create a faster car, because I did not have the time to practice and build the setup 'legally'.

Sorry, I support the admins in everything they do, but on this one I think the rules need amending (I had NO idea this went on....)
 
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