Bleeping furious right now!

[Nitefly]

It's more likely to work?


long gaps of unemployment aren't appealing to employers, so if you can prevent them having a long gap you make it much more likely they'll be back in work before they reach 5 years on the dole.


what retard would wait for someone to be sat on the dole for 5 years before doing something about it, tackle it early so you don't have to pay 5 years of dole before you get them back into work.

It's the sentiment behind his point that is decent - i.e. make job seeking benefits harder to get the longer you are on the JSA.

 

[Tefal]

Oh, and by "community projects and charities" you can also include tescos because apparantly they do stuff for the community.. somewhere..

yeah it's not like they give 70 million pounds a year to charity is it?


oh wait....

 

[Tefal]

It's the sentiment behind his point that is decent - i.e. make job seeking benefits harder to get the longer you are on the JSA.

why?

That's not really the best solution it's much better to get the people back into work as soon as possible rather than waiting for it to become clear they're a dosser.


Sign up for job seekers and you should be in a volunteer scheme within the week, that way there's less incentive to join and doss for months until they finally get you into a scheme.

 

[Nitefly]

why?

That's not really the best solution it's much better to get the people back into work as soon as possible rather than waiting for it to become clear they're a dosser.

Sign up for job seekers and you should be in a volunteer scheme within the week, that way there's less incentive to join and doss for months until they finally get you into a scheme.

But the scheme is utterly crap and pointless. The only possible plus for it is to give people who are a long time out of work something to put on their CV. Otherwise it's just detrimental and a waste time.

£200 a month for full time work

 

[Cuchulain]

If the onus is on job seekers to "work for their dole", then they should do as many hours as it takes to make up their weekly benefit at minimum wage rates, around 10 hours or so for the average adult, forcing people into full time jobs for no pay is slavery, no matter how you look at it.

 

[Ahleckz]

http://www.cvcl.co.uk/client.htm

used them a couple of times to update them, haven't used it in a couple of years though. As job hasn't changed to much other than going up a grade.

The other thing i notice is CVs change over the years. things like what's included, layout all change.
Cvs aren't my strong point and as you can tell nore is writing. So why do it myself and cheat myself out of potential jobs. When those skills aren't even needed in the job.

Cheers, I'm tempted to use them. Anything that can help eh?

 

[Martini1991]

If the onus is on job seekers to "work for their dole", then they should do as many hours as it takes to make up their weekly benefit at minimum wage rates, around 10 hours or so for the average adult, forcing people into full time jobs for no pay is slavery, no matter how you look at it.

That's how I see it.
Not this disproportionate crap.
EDIT : Just looking at that CV site now.

 

[Haggisman]

On the other hand, I do find it a bit ridiculous that they're making the 'well-qualified' do these kind of menial tasks, when presumably they could be getting more skilled-labour jobs...

The "well qualified" should be more than smart enough to get themselves a job without needing their hands held and guided through the process.

Hang on a moment,

So if person A loses his job & starts looking instantly - even taking into account a 100% perfect application & they get the job, they will still be out of work for 2 months (if it's a decent position & they are lucky) - the JSA is to aid them until they have an income.

Rubbish! I can guarantee you if I were to lose my job tomorrow, I could be back in work by next weekend.

It might not be a job in my field of expertise, it might be low pay and long hours, but it's still a job. (For example, Domino's are always advertising for drivers and in-store staff)

 

[Threepwood]

its the fact you can be looking for work if your doing voluntary work as you dont have the time to do both acording to the job centre.

i think its your not allowed to do more than 2 days voluntary a week or something daft

Nah, it's changed;

if you receive Jobseekers Allowance, you can volunteer full time as long as you are still actively seeking employment.

^^ click it to go to source.

 

[Angilion]

Sounds great to me, about time people stopped looking for the easy ride the whole time. Clearly she isn't working for free as she will be receiving some kind of benefits while she looks for a job.

And why would employers pay staff to do jobs when they can get indentured servants for free? Every person working at no cost to the employer is one less job available.

 

[Voltjunkie]

I'm not sure whether we operate this exact scheme but in our workplace we have to date accepted two people from the Jobcentre for placements of six weeks each. There has never been any discussion of whether we would be offering them employment, it was merely a way for them to gain work experience and a reference. One of them was useless and we couldn't wait to get rid of him whereas the other was an excellent chap and went on to get himself a decent job in the public sector. From what he told me, the experience and reference he gained working with us was a crucial part of his application.

You're not allowed to give negative references. I'd say that you being employed and bringing money into your household for 7 weeks is perfectly reasonable. Employment is very dog eat dog.

This simply isn't true. An employer is perfectly entitled to give a poor reference as long as it isn't misleading.

 

[mufc802]

Why can't she actually get some useful qualifications then get the job? A-Levels are hardly useful when applying for a job, they are useful for university applications. If you have the skills and qualifications the company is looking for then she will get a job.

 

[MrMoonX]

why would the likes of tesco and pound land open up any vacancies when the job centre are forcing people to work there for free, its genius, wonder how much the fat cats donated to the "party" for that deal

 

[cheets64]

It just one big step closer to Big brother and enslaving people.

The Government created the welfare state.

Now the Government is creating welfare to work.

Plus forcing unemployed people to work for their benefits, how is that going to improve the economy and create employment? You need money to boost the economy, so people working for "free" is only going to boost profits of companies. Something needs to be done but this is not the right way.

 

[Voltjunkie]

Surely most will just give a plain, factual one... as in, just the dates they were at the company... rather than opening themselves up to any potential grief. I'd've thought that's especially true with companies which are big enough to have HR departments.

Most will because if you ask the majority of people, they will give you the mistruth that you cannot give a poor reference It's also unlikely that people will take the time to write a bad reference unless they feel so strongly about it on a personal level.

Either way, a simple job title and dates reference is usually viewed with some skepticism.

It just one big step closer to Big brother and enslaving people.

The Government created the welfare state.

Now the Government is creating welfare to work.

Plus forcing unemployed people to work for their benefits, how is that going to improve the economy and create employment? You need money to boost the economy, so people working for "free" is only going to boost profits of companies. Something needs to be done but this is not the right way.

What are you talking about? They are not working for free. The individual gets their JSA (which is then spent within the economy), experience and a reference. The company receives extra manpower, which they wouldn't ordinarily have, which will be used to generate more profit (growing the economy).

 

[Rob_J]

Same thing happened to my daughter after she finished her degree at uni, the 'dole' (for want of a better word) people said she must do 8 weeks 'work experience' in a charity shop for £53 per week, if she didn't, they would stop her job seekers allowance.

She now has a proper job doing what she studied to do ... albeit on trainee wages, but a step on the ladder no less.

 

[Mirage]

I worked for a charity whilst claiming JSA, under a Job Centre promotion.
The idea is to reintergrate you back into the working world, whilst I agree the hours seem quite drastic I do think this is a good thing.
Got offered a paid job at the end of my time (about 5-6 weeks of 40 hour weeks) but had also got offered a job at my current employer on the same day so took that. I have no doubt that the temporary JSA/Charity work was the main contribution to getting the job I have now.

 

[mollymoo]

What are you talking about? They are not working for free. The individual gets their JSA (which is then spent within the economy), experience and a reference. The company receives extra manpower, which they wouldn't ordinarily have, which will be used to generate more profit (growing the economy).

That sort of depends on where that profit goes, if it goes abroad then it's just another flow of money out of the country, as I see it you need money coming in.

 

[Voltjunkie]

That sort of depends on where that profit goes, if it goes abroad then it's just another flow of money out of the country, as I see it you need money coming in.

Completely true but somewhat beside the point. Exports are just as freely available as imports.

 

[Fuzz]

So she gets the £200 a month JSA to sit on her ass and play console games or..

gets £200 a month
gains experience in the workplace
is looked favourably on because of doing voluntary work
is able to add that work experience to her CV
increase her prospects of gaining employment at a later date
is able to contribute her time and effort toward the Economy.