Haswell to Launch March - June 2013 but No Ivybridge-E Before 2nd half of 2013

edgedemon · 10 Feb 2012 at 22:22

garyfl said:
so i guess this is the decider for me then, so when i build my new pc in the next month or so, if i choose sandy E 2011im going to be able to upgrade to the next gen, so has intel stopped all this multiple socket malarke they did every 12 months then ? im conufused. i thought if i went sandy e in march, they would bring out a new socket by december

Ivy-E is the same socket as Sandy-E so far, so it will be a straight cpu swapout for a nice 22nm upgrade

Jokester · 10 Feb 2012 at 22:25

Gtiracer said:
Please forgive my ignorance but I don't understand why it would cost someone their job - what should've happened?

A photo of the chip shouldn't have become public.

garyfl · 10 Feb 2012 at 22:53

so if i buy socket 2011 in march and ivy e isnt until say 2013 then id get a fulljust under 2 years ?

rare · 10 Feb 2012 at 23:05

It all depends if intel release another good value 2011 chip like the 3820. If they do 2011 is a sound investment in my opinion.

garyfl · 10 Feb 2012 at 23:07

am i right in thinking the 3820 will be very similar in performance to the 2700k but the only gain is the extra pci lanes and quad memory ?

rare · 10 Feb 2012 at 23:35

Pretty much exactly that.

Orcvader · 11 Feb 2012 at 01:34

Freddie1980 said:
That doesn't make any sense unless their going to go straight to a Haswell-E and just skip Ivy Bridge-E altogether.

I can see this happening for some reason.

Buckster · 11 Feb 2012 at 10:02

mmm hard decision

almost makes a cheap 2500k + Z68 mobo seem better bet- then put that £100 towards a new Ivybridge cpu when it comes out

I saw this the other day - whether genuineor not I don't know- but 5 gig <1.3v would be nice if true

http://hwbot.org/forum/showthread.php?t=37912&page=8

WingZero30 · 11 Feb 2012 at 10:19

Freddie1980 said:
That doesn't make any sense unless their going to go straight to a Haswell-E and just skip Ivy Bridge-E altogether.

Wouldn't Haswell-E require another new socket or will it also be using LGA 2011?

Frosties · 11 Feb 2012 at 11:01

WingZero30 said:
Wouldn't Haswell-E require another new socket or will it also be using LGA 2011?

Since the mainstream Haswell is supposedly going to use a new socket LGA1150, I except that Haswell-E will also require a new socket. It's mainly due to the new power management system.

flinco · 11 Feb 2012 at 11:41

Hopefully with LGA1150 we can reuse the 1155/1156 coolers again

xsistor · 11 Feb 2012 at 11:50

flinco said:
Hopefully with LGA1150 we can reuse the 1155/1156 coolers again

The companies will probably just do another bracket if necessary.

Ghøst · 11 Feb 2012 at 13:12

Ok so a couple have people have suggested Ivybridge-E might be dropped moving straight to Haswell-E.

I can't ever remember Intel planning a chip then later scrapping it, I could be wrong though.

What does everyone else think about this & is there any info floating around to suggest that this might be the case?

How long after Sandybridge was Sandybridge-E launched?

Jokester · 11 Feb 2012 at 13:33

The original Nehalem (next Netburst architecture) was binned. With such a large gap between SB and SB-E if there was something similar with IB then IB-E would have such a short lifespan as Haswell should hopefully be a fairly large performance increase over IB.

kitch9 · 11 Feb 2012 at 14:27

Frosties said:
Since the mainstream Haswell is supposedly going to use a new socket LGA1150, I except that Haswell-E will also require a new socket. It's mainly due to the new Intel bending the punters over and preparing the lube system.

Fixed that for you.

Ghøst · 11 Feb 2012 at 15:27

Jokester said:
The original Nehalem (next Netburst architecture) was binned. With such a large gap between SB and SB-E if there was something similar with IB then IB-E would have such a short lifespan as Haswell should hopefully be a fairly large performance increase over IB.

From what I've read it sounds like the performance gains are once again mainly going to be integrated GPU related as opposed to raw computational power although its being suggested overclocking will be 'easier' than Ivybridge.

'Easier' seems like a pretty vague term to use in this respect.

Those slides I posted also seem to suggest that Haswell will be a performance level below SB-E. If that's true there's no reason why Ivybridge-E should have a short life, perhaps they're won't be a Haswell-E until at least a year after vanilla Haswell like SB & SB-E & is scheduled between IB & IB-E.

I guess its anyone's guess really and we should just be grateful & enjoy the latest hot technology that's available what ever its called.

tbh · 11 Feb 2012 at 16:49

Ghøst said:
Those slides I posted also seem to suggest that Haswell will be a performance level below SB-E.

The slides show that they are aimed at different market segments.

Haswell (and probably vanilla Ivy Bridge) will be faster than SB-E for applications which only utilise 4 or less cores (i.e. what the majority of forum users will use them for).

Socket 2011 will be faster for heavily threaded applications which also require large amounts of memory bandwidth.

WingZero30 · 11 Feb 2012 at 17:06

sonicology said:
The slides show that they are aimed at different market segments.

Haswell (and probably vanilla Ivy Bridge) will be faster than SB-E for applications which only utilise 4 or less cores (i.e. what the majority of forum users will use them for).

Socket 2011 will be faster for heavily threaded applications which also require large amounts of memory bandwidth.

yeah it's kinda like how the current sandybridge cpus (2500k,2600k, etc) are faster not only clock for clock but also in applications utilising 4 cores or less, compared with last gen westmere (980x,990x). However in heavily threaded applications ( more than 4-5 threads), westmere comes on top.

tbh · 11 Feb 2012 at 20:04

panyan said:
are they already producing haswell chips or is that a sample?

Pre-production engineering sample.

WingZero30 said:
yeah it's kinda like how the current sandybridge cpus (2500k,2600k, etc) are faster not only clock for clock but also in applications utilising 4 cores or less, compared with last gen westmere (980x,990x). However in heavily threaded applications ( more than 4-5 threads), westmere comes on top.

Pretty much this exactly.

Freddie1980 · 11 Feb 2012 at 21:54

Ghøst said:
Ok so a couple have people have suggested Ivybridge-E might be dropped moving straight to Haswell-E.

I can't ever remember Intel planning a chip then later scrapping it, I could be wrong though.

What does everyone else think about this & is there any info floating around to suggest that this might be the case?

How long after Sandybridge was Sandybridge-E launched?

They dropped netburst chips like a bad habit and tbey recently dropped their video card chip because it was rubbish and couldn't keep up with even mid range amd and nvidia cards and thats before we even get onto the issue of driver updates which intel has no record of.