Organ Donation Opt-Out

Whilst this is a sad situation, that liver he transplanted was very helpful to 3 people! As for staff laughing, it should have been out of ear shot, but could you imagine doing this job? A good sense of humour is a must and is a very important coping strategy. Your father not dying for over 2 hours was unavoidable and uncontrollable. The time stringency is imperative as you wouldn't want to give a patient damaged organs. It was a raw time for you but don't let one example of anything allow you to make such sweeping emotional statements.

I understand that life gos on, I get that they probably like to have a laugh and a joke, but for god sake it should have been out of sight and out of earshot.

I understand the reasons for the limitations on time too, of course you wouldnt want to give somebody a damaged organ - but thats the sort of thing you should be made aware of before you commit.

and finally, the worst part for me was the letter that arrived 3 months later, there was a cyst or a nodule or soemthing on my fathers liver that shouldnt have been there and it could not be given to anybody.

All of that, for nothing.
 
Again completely unknown, I'm not sure why you would be angry at the team for an unknown cyst. Yes I agree it should have been well out of ear shot, that was not good enough. You say all that for nothing and yes it would appear that is true, but just think what kindness you showed by allowing him to offer his organs.


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Like the OP I signed up to organ donation when I renewed my driving licence and I personally feel it should be an opt-out system, however I do feel deeply sorry for Rids and what he had to go through :(.

I also think, as in my case, that a lot of people mean to become organ donors but either forget or don't get round to signing up. I know I should have signed up a long time ago because I have seen the good that can come of it - a school friend with CF was given a Heart/Lung transplant and as such been given a completely new lease of life.
 
By that point, we just needed to get out there. It felt like any and all dignity had been stripped from my fathers passing, an already horrible heartbreaking situation had been made twice as bad, had been dragged out... I still get angry and sad when I think about it, my mother still cannot and will not talk about to this day. Could I put my family through that? Never.

I really don't mean to be insensitive but, theres a few points I think need making.

Yes the doctors should have been waiting somewhere else, but ultimately its a hospital, had your father not been donating organs, most of what you described would still have happened. Someone turning off life support, the trauma of waiting for a loved one to die and having to put up with this being done in a fairly public location of a hospital. 1000's of people die in similar circumstances a year and there will be people in earshot laughing, screaming crying, other people dying, kids being born, etc.

In the end the liver did get donated and possibly gave other peoples years, maybe decades extra in their life, think about if that would have made your dad happy or not.

You mum can't talk about it... would she have been easily able to talk about your fathers death had the doctors not been there or had he not ended up donating a liver. Likely not, her husband died, its a horrible event for anyone and ultimately most of the other things didn't help but aren't a patch on the main source of pain being your father dying.

Lastly, organ donation will never be an exact science, no one will know how long someone would last when taken off life support, no one will know if the organs would have a problem found during removal, or be rejected by the person who gets them.

As bad a situation as you went through, losing your father, or husband, or child will never be easy and in 10 years, or 50 years, the only thing you'll care about is that person not being there, not the smaller details that ultimately didn't make a difference.

Lots of transplants will go better, lots will go worse, lots won't "take" in the person that gets them and hopefully lots will help millions of people worldwide live decades longer.
 
Anyone who refuses to donate their organs, or even worse denies the donation of organs of a loved one who was a donor and passes, is a short sited idiot, I would even go as far as to call them cruel.

The only thing they are protecting is feelings, and feelings don't stand up to that of another human life

Yes I have lost people and yes they were donors, did I even think twice about the fact they would be "harvested"? No, because I knew it was there choice and that choice could save other lives. How I "feel" doesn't even come close to factoring in to that equation.
 
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It should be opt out imo.

I would opt out though. Pretty harsh to say its stupid not too, at the end of the day theres a line somewere and i think this is it.
 
Personally I think it should be opt-out, I imagine that there are a lot of people out there who simply don't register out of apathy. Those who really do not agree with it would simply opt-out. I do understand why people don't want their organs harvested (well not the part about paramedics allowing you to die) but I've never really seen why it should be an issue, you can't take your organs with you once you're dead.
 
The donor list is like voting, you'll get a few people opting in, a few against it and the majority have no idea what the hell is going on.

By making it opt out only all those people that don't care either way will really be affected, and by the time it matters, they'll be dead already.
 
I would opt out though. Pretty harsh to say its stupid not too, at the end of the day theres a line somewere and i think this is it.

What is the line exactly?

Why would you opt out? What is the reason you feel that after you are dead and gone, other should be denied a chance to live because you feel your perfectly viable organs should rot or be turned to ash?
 
Personally I'm uncomfortable with being "spare parts" by default. I'm sure many others are, hence the strong arguments on either side.

Well you'd be able to opt-out if you wanted to. Then again your argument would be well why don't we just keep it the current way and just have me opt-in. :p

But my counter argument is... Why do you care what happens to you when you die?
 
It should be opt out imo.

I would opt out though. Pretty harsh to say its stupid not too, at the end of the day theres a line somewere and i think this is it.
Would you accept an organ if you were close to death & offered one to save your life?.
 
What is the line exactly?

Why would you opt out? What is the reason you feel that after you are dead and gone, other should be denied a chance to live because you feel your perfectly viable organs should rot or be turned to ash?

For now its giving your organs once your dead, however in say a hundred years it may well turn into a value of who's life is more important, somebody who is in life support or somebody who is perfectly well apart from the need of an organ.

It's headed in a natural selection sort of way.

Personally i'd like to keep my body to myself for now, maybe ill change my mind when i age a little but who knows.

Would you accept an organ if you were close to death & offered one to save your life?.

Depends on various factors, but tbh probably not.
 
I'd prefer it to be an opt out system.
I signed up a few years ago when a thread was made about it on here... :D

It'd be a complete waste to just leave them to rot with the rest of me.

Edit: As I've said before though, I'm a **** and will be keeping my eyes...
Must change this at some point.
 
But my counter argument is... Why do you care what happens to you when you die?

As strange as it seems to the pro opt-out guys, I don't want to be used as a commodity or be "harvested".

This is where I get called a loony, as the way I see my own existence is that I have to go some time or another - that's just life. I'd rather just have the option to go painlessly than go through anti-rejection drug dependency and possible complications for the rest of my life. Transplants are against the natural order of things and it just gives me the creeps in all honesty.

Anyhow, my organs are probably not that much use considering the fact that I'm mildly asthmatic, and have abused my body a fair bit over the years! :D

Maybe I'd be a hypocrite if I was in a situation where I needed a new liver, for example. I have no way of knowing until a time when/if it happens in all honesty but I reckon I'd be headed to Dignitas.
 
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