What is the natural order of things? Surely all medicine is against the natural order of things?
Organ Donation Opt-Out
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What is the natural order of things? Surely all medicine is against the natural order of things?
What is the problem with people that want to opt out?
It's not selfish or stupid, it doesn't make them ****. It's just the way they feel and we shouldn't be insulting them because if it.
I am donating everything but my eyes, I don't know why but I find that a little weird.
What factors?,
If there are any then you really should be a donor.
Say - If you have children.
How would you feel if one of them died (due to lack of organs) because everybody had the same attitude as you?
I'm not trying to beat you down with questions, just curious how you could square that reality in your head.
Not necessarily seeing as many medicines can be derived from plants/fungi. Maybe I should have said, too much of a diversion from "natural norms" to not creep me out.
Sounds selfish, but I won't budge on it. Don't fancy being butchered - I'd rather feed the worms.
What or who gives you the right to quiet frankly ridicule a view point someone has on a situation. What is straight forward to you, such as this, may not be straight forward to someone else for reasons such as past experiences, religion or they just don't want to. Don't question other peoples personal responses and just respect the choice they make be it selfish or not
Do you think it should be a two way system then?.
Say it's opt in - but you have to opt-in to get organs if you have a crash.
So if you don't want to share, you won't receive - would that make you change your mind knowing that if you got into a car crash & needed a transplant you would definitely die?
To be fair, this is a matter of life & death.
People die because of these odd attitudes, there is no avoiding that fact.
Do you have a fear of them taking your organs out before you're properly dead? Is that what it is?
I think that's fair enough to be honest. We're overpopulated as it is so if I shuffle off this mortal coil as a result of a car crash, then it's tough and no hardship on the planet.
An individuals decision on whether or not to donate their organs however, should always be respected. I have a great found respect for those that do so. However, its not really fair to ridicule an individuals choice. I use individual as its not an attitude carried by all but it should be respected because their opinion on the matter does not make them any less of a person than you or I.
I guess it's fair, but I think we (the civilised world) would prefer you to live in that situation & would have hoped it would have caused you to change your mind for the greater good of society & yourself.I think that's fair enough to be honest. We're overpopulated as it is so if I shuffle off this mortal coil as a result of a car crash, then it's tough and no hardship on the planet.
Im an organ donar always have been
My cusin was also an organ donar and its somthing he felrt very strongly about, when he died they asked his parents and they said no even though we had had lengthy discussions about it and he had an organ donar card in his wallet
Made me very sad that our loss couldnt help anyone because he would have wanted too
My cusin was also an organ donar and its somthing he felrt very strongly about, when he died they asked his parents and they said no even though we had had lengthy discussions about it and he had an organ donar card in his wallet
Made me very sad that our loss couldnt help anyone because he would have wanted too
Part of me wonders, if they had a child who needed & organ - who died on the waiting list while a line of 50 people all asked for there organs to be burned/buried instead of being used to save a child.
Would they still refuse be a donor?, I can't comprehend how anybody with any family/loved ones would be against donation - because that very attitude could in reality kill one of there family members in the future.
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When I die my organs are going to science. Seems like a better option as then your organs can be used to develop cures or train people that will go on to save many lives rather than just a few. Although there is the issue that they don't always take your organs.
But yes it should be opt out. No reason why good organs should go to waste unless otherwise instructed.
But yes it should be opt out. No reason why good organs should go to waste unless otherwise instructed.
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As strange as it seems to the pro opt-out guys, I don't want to be used as a commodity or be "harvested".
This is where I get called a loony, as the way I see my own existence is that I have to go some time or another - that's just life. I'd rather just have the option to go painlessly than go through anti-rejection drug dependency and possible complications for the rest of my life. Transplants are against the natural order of things and it just gives me the creeps in all honesty.
Anyhow, my organs are probably not that much use considering the fact that I'm mildly asthmatic, and have abused my body a fair bit over the years!
Maybe I'd be a hypocrite if I was in a situation where I needed a new liver, for example. I have no way of knowing until a time when/if it happens in all honesty but I reckon I'd be headed to Dignitas.
Not strange at all, many people feel like that infact and I do feel those who opt-out should have their will respected and left alone.
The whole thing where people say if a Doctor finds that you're a donor that they won't try as hard to save you does stay in my mind a little bit, but I feel that Doctors are trained that the sole point is to focus on who they are working on and to try their best to save their life.
I'm not even sure Doctors find out whether or not you're a donor if you're admitted to hospital - Maybe they do, I'm not sure...
EDIT: Another reason why I would like to be a donor is that I don't donate blood as I am needle phobic
So as long as I'm a donor I can feel good that I can do my bit.
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If everybody did have the same attitude then there would never be that expectation in the first place.
Obviously i'd be upset but i wouldnt feel like there was anything else to be done as its a privilege rather than a right.
There are a lot of things that can go wrong with a transplant that never seems to get conveyed, the majority of them require you to be on some serious drugs for the rest of your life.
I can honestly, respect that view. Personally, I'm not a registered donor. However, I like to think for the moment I do play my part in regards to the fact that I donate blood at every possible opportunity.
It should never be opt out. If apathy of pro-donors is of issue, it could be a mandatory question every time you visit NHS of your local GP. "We've noticed you haven't updated your donor opt-in section in the last 5 years, could you press appropriate answer on the screen (without nurse seeing the answer)". Done.
Opt out systems always had and always will have iffy issues, question marks and attract bad reputation. It's bad enough to sort out all the "DNR" and "DNATR" issues and religious nuttery in existing system, just imagine how many families would be chasing surgeon teams with solicitors pleading not to cut their comatose child, parent, better half open because "he meant to opt out". And they would have every right to. And all disconnection decisions would always be questionable. And then, inevitably, you would have repeat of what happens in some countries already - vulture ambulance chasers offering families "extensive private care", "funeral arrangements" and "costs retribution" for carting out hopeless cases to private facilities.
Opt out systems always had and always will have iffy issues, question marks and attract bad reputation. It's bad enough to sort out all the "DNR" and "DNATR" issues and religious nuttery in existing system, just imagine how many families would be chasing surgeon teams with solicitors pleading not to cut their comatose child, parent, better half open because "he meant to opt out". And they would have every right to. And all disconnection decisions would always be questionable. And then, inevitably, you would have repeat of what happens in some countries already - vulture ambulance chasers offering families "extensive private care", "funeral arrangements" and "costs retribution" for carting out hopeless cases to private facilities.
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