Britain's fattest woman weighs 40STONE and is so big she hasn't been outside in FOUR years

actually this is one of those cases where a small tummy band would have solved the problem

i dont know why the NHS didnt do that
 
Nitefly said:
What came first, being fat or the labour government :eek:
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i think you've got that slightly wrong matey

but my answer would be the labour party
to think of people getting this obese 100 years+ ago, it wouldn't have happened, no work, no money, no food, shame it had to change so much :(
 
SeraphX said:
i think you've got that slightly wrong matey

but my answer would be the labour party
to think of people getting this obese 100 years+ ago, it wouldn't have happened, no work, no money, no food, shame it had to change so much :(
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I think you need to brush up on your history, granted, I have no idea if people reached 40 stone but gluttony certainly isn't a new thing in society.
 
Ahleckz said:
Sigh, people are still apologising for her and suggesting that it isn't her fault. "Oh, she's obviously got emotional issues." I haven't denied that may be true, but it's easily possible she's just fine and just loves food and turned into a fatty. The fattie apologists in this thread seem to ignore that prospect entirely.

People do things every day which puts the principle of self preservation at jeopardy.

Though, I did just eat a entire precooked chicken from ASDA... :o
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In fairness, 40 stone is a fair old amount now, it does indicate something beyond the usual liking of food....

I think it is lamentable that some people genuinely are so harsh. :(
 
Ahleckz said:
Sigh, people are still apologising for her and suggesting that it isn't her fault. "Oh, she's obviously got emotional issues." I haven't denied that may be true, but it's easily possible she's just fine and just loves food and turned into a fatty. The fattie apologists in this thread seem to ignore that prospect entirely.

People do things every day which puts the principle of self preservation at jeopardy.

Though, I did just eat a entire precooked chicken from ASDA... :o
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You just don't get it do you.

If somebody loves food to the point they are actually killing themselves they are not "loving food" in a way which displays the ability to think rationally.

You are putting too much weight into "personal character" & ignoring the kind of mental disorders which cause this kind of behaviour.

Not to sound insulting, but you hold the view which is akin to somebody who really doesn't appreciate the complexity of the subject at hand.

http://youarenotsosmart.com/ - is a good place to start.
 
elmarko1234 said:
You just don't get it do you.

If somebody loves food to the point they are actually killing themselves they are not "loving food" in a way which displays the ability to think rationally.

You are putting too much weight into "personal character" & ignoring the kind of mental disorders which cause this kind of behaviour.

Not to sound insulting, but you hold the view which is akin to somebody who really doesn't appreciate the complexity of the subject at hand.
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A character's rationality isn't something which can be helped, but to what extent does that allow a person to escape critcism?

Is a persons bad spelling always down to their dyslexic tendancies?

Is a depressed persons misery always out of their control?

Should murderers be immune to criticism because they are clearly not right in the head?

I'm not expecting you to answer these, my point merely being that a mental issue does not necessarily always mean that those people are free of their own responsibility.
 
Nitefly said:
A character's rationality isn't something which can be helped,
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I'm pretty sure education can improve somebody's rationality.

Nitefly said:
but to what extent does that allow a person to escape critcism?
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We should be criticising the behaviour - criticising the person achieves nothing.

Nitefly said:
Is a persons bad spelling always down to their dyslexic tendancies?
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No, it's down to poor education.

Nitefly said:
Is a depressed persons misery always out of their control?
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No, but the ability to control it can be improved with cognitive therapy & by learning how to deal with negative emotions or bad situations - emotional control is like any other skill & can be learned.

Nitefly said:
Should murderers be immune to criticism because they are clearly not right in the head?
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The act of murder should not be immune from criticism & they should still be locked up (for the safety of others).

But labelling a person (who either eats too much, rapes people or murders) - as simply "Bad or evil" solves nothing, it does not advance our understanding of the behaviour.

For example, if you label paedophiles as "evil" & attribute the actions as factors inherent to the individual - how exactly we will ever stop these actions from occurring?.

Saying "peado's are evil lock them up" & ending the discussion, does nothing for the next wave of children who will become victims - punishment & blame are too late in these situations, the offence has already happened.

More-so when the evidence suggests that most negative behaviour is stemmed from early childhood experiences

Nitefly said:
I'm not expecting you to answer these, my point merely being that a mental issue does not necessarily always mean that those people are free of their own responsibility.
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Define responsibility, when we are biological organisms who are slaves to our experiences, biology & environment?.

People need to let go of these mostly religious based notions of "personal responsibility" & accept reality for what it is - I'm not suggesting that people who believe in it are religious - but those are the roots of it.
 
elmarko1234 said:
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Errr, I think you looked into my post far too deeply there :p

All I was saying is that there should be an awareness of the 'grey area', but I don't think it does any good to put everything within it.

I'm not sure why you want to break down responsibility like that either. It has an obvious meaning.
 
Nitefly said:
Errr, I think you looked into my post far too deeply there :p

All I was saying is that there should be an awareness of the 'grey area', but I don't think it does any good to put everything within it.

I'm not sure why you want to break down responsibility like that either. It has an obvious meaning.
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Well, I only say because I don't believe responsibility is an inherent trait.

TDDR version.

Some people get taught to be responsible some don't, as we don't get to pick our parents/school/environment as children I fail to see the logic in applying blame, or criticising somebody for lacking responsibility.
 
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