Vehicle Excise Duty
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Not really. One is known, the other isn't. As I've said all the way through the thread. Not sure why you solely focused on initial cost.
If I buy x-car I know I'll pay a minimum of £220 a year. Or buy a different car with a minimum of £150 a year. Substitute values for any bracket.
It's part of some people's category's and is treated differently from fuel. As we've already covered. People aren't logical.
Becuase you said upfront cost...
Not in all posts. But anyway. VED needs to be taken as a whole. Initial year values further expands VED potency to help acheive governments aims. As well as laws, cost of petrol and many other schemes. This like we've seen in the last 6years is going to expand massively.
Back in 2005 top brackets where all £165 now they are £400+ with large upfront fees as well.
Back in 2005 top brackets where all £165 now they are £400+ with large upfront fees as well.
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VED in the following years is a cost spead over a long time.
*shrug*
VED as it stands at the moment is ineffective at what it is meant to do. The people that do care about the environment will buy green regardless, those that are on a budget don't actually have any real choice as they'll end up with a low VED car regardless. And VED in the whole is way too low to influence the rest of the buying public.
The real things that impact it are as you say things like emmission laws and high fuel costs. VED itself is just a revenue source for the government, under the pretence of a green tax.
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And then allowing them to emit shedloads of CO2 by driving them for 30,000 miles a year with foot flat to the floor everywhere instead of rationalising vehicle use....
I'm not complaining that my road tax is 7 times more expensive than a rep doing 30k a year in a similar sized smaller engined BMW. I'm saying that perhaps his should be more expensive, not that mine should be cheaper
Actually I'm not really complaining at all, I just thought this would spark an interesting debate 
Isn't it better to encourage people to drive less? I use a mixture of my car and public transport for my travel. Isn't this what the government wants to encourage - a better transport mix? Yet I pay more in road tax than somebody who drives many thousands more miles than me and never uses the train...
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The whole emissions excuse is just a scape-goat. When the day comes (and it will) where car companies start selling £10,000 electric cars that do 500 miles on a single charge, what's going to happen then? Ok a tax disc for an electric car is free now but it will all change when people start migrating to electric in big numbers. This could be 5 years or it could be 25 years but it will happen. You will still have to pay something somehow. The government need hard cash that's all there is to it.
[TW]Fox;21294672 said:And then allowing them to emit shedloads of CO2 by driving them for 30,000 miles a year with foot flat to the floor everywhere instead of rationalising vehicle use....
I'm not complaining that my road tax is 7 times more expensive than a rep doing 30k a year in a similar sized smaller engined BMW. I'm saying that perhaps his should be more expensive, not that mine should be cheaper
Isn't it better to encourage people to drive less? I use a mixture of my car and public transport for my travel. Isn't this what the government wants to encourage - a better transport mix? Yet I pay more in road tax than somebody who drives many thousands more miles than me and never uses the train...
Did you know there is tax on fuel as well?
Of course they need money.
But that money doesn't have to be bracketed in the way they do at the moment. Like in the past, it was never based on co2.
When electric takes over, it will still be based on efficiency as more efficacy fleet is. Less you have to secure, produce or buy from abroad.
The "green" envelope is based on so much more than just co2.
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But isn't that the point? VED aims to achieve what duty already achieves but in reality is a waste of resources. The government currently wastes over £100m per year collecting a tax where there is already a perfectly good collection method in place that is actually much better at penalising the high emitters of CO2 (as if that's even the real pollutant...)
Gosh is there really? Well stop the press.
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car / fuel tax = just another way to make working ppl pay for scroungers.
they screw you with income tax
they screw you with vat
they screw you on car / fuel
= you're screwed, and you did nothing wrong.
they screw you with income tax
they screw you with vat
they screw you on car / fuel
= you're screwed, and you did nothing wrong.
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Simplest answer is to put it on fuel then you chose the tax burden however no tax disc = scrote and loads of arrests and 'crime reduction' comes from pulling people who drive with no tax.
A subscription fee in order to be allowed to use public charge points, which also subsequently charge you for the electricity you use
I agree with what a few people have said, scrap the tax-disc and just stick another 2p on petrol. It's an out-dated system. It comes from a time that petrol was cheap and more importantly, it was the best way of making sure that people had an MOT for their car because that little bit of paper was the only way of 'seeing' it had an MOT. Today that is not the case.
A subscription fee in order to be allowed to use public charge points, which also subsequently charge you for the electricity you use
Well we don't know what guise electric motoring will take but presuming you can charge your car from your house's domestic electric then I imagine you will have a big charge to pay somewhere else. Electric prices are only subject to 5% reduced VAT because it's a life line etc. You would have 2 very different uses coming from the same electric supply. The life line that is domestic electric and also many people's heating and the electric that you need to drive a car.
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[TW]Fox;21292156 said:
tis true.
