Give me a good reason why Iran should NOT have nuclear weapons
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This isn't really the reason though - if Ireland were to develop nuclear weapons they would also be strongly urged not to and perhaps sanctioned as a result and there is nothing nutter about the Irish.
not until they sell us all their oil and drink at starbucks
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Israel should have never been allowed to develop nuclear weapons either but that horse has already bolted.
I don't think the UK has any affinity with Israel and in many cases can see much of their behavior as antagonistic and unconstructive. However it would be very difficault to argue that Israel has ever used their nuclear weapons aggressively considering they've never admitted having them.
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Which they do - until the oil sanctions thing kicked off they sold us all the oil we wanted from them. They only reason they don't now is because we've decided to give our economies a good bashing by embargoing Iranian crude...
This is also 100% true. People seem to think that it's double standard as its acceptable for Israel to have nuclear weapons. It isn't acceptable at all and nobody wants a nuclear armed Israel either but its already happened.
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Haven't Iran been building 'secret' fortified bunkers and such? If they have nothing to hide then why aren't the inspectors being allowed to do their jobs?
If they genuinelly fear an Israeli strike then this would make sense even if it was a completely benign civil nuclear project.
But this is the sticking point.
The answer to this is for Iran to allow the IAEA the access it requires to confirm the nuclear programme is civilian and then Iran, Europe, the USA and Israel to quit with the sabre rattling and rhetoric. Nothing else is a desireable outcome - certainly not either Iran developing nuclear weapons or Israel bombing the **** out of them. Nobody wins from either of those two outcomes.
[TW]Fox;21296574 said:
The IAEA have been given full access and it was because their report stated Iran's nuclear programme still has military dimensions that prompted the recent sanctions.
Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2011/nov/09/iran-nuclear-programme-iaea-report
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This is true and because of the nature of both the Israeli and Iranian governments there is no chance of getting Israel to give up its nuclear weapons in return for getting Iran to stop developing weapons.
I wonder if 'god' would step in if the entire Middle East was about to be wiped out by a few warheads
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[TW]Fox;21296613 said:
Good point.
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This is what I don't understand, why Iran feel they have to stop these inspectors from confirming the facilities are purely for civilian purposes. Surely if there's nothing to hide then Iran would have no problem.
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Absolutely, neither of those situations lead to a positive outcome. Israel are a country surrounded by enemies and I do feel for the people who have to live in that country, with the threat of constant militant attacks. Of course some of the Israeli retalitory actions have been disgusting, with no concern for collateral damage.
I don't share the view of some on here that Israel are out and out bad guys though, if for example we had a neighbour who proclaimed they hated us and wanted to "wipe us off the map", who then started experimenting with nuclear materials, claiming it was for peaceful purposes but at the same time denying simple, routine inspections then I doubt we'd sit on our hands either.
If that really is the case then Iran should surely be taking steps to eradicate from their programme whatever those military dimensions may be.
I agree but remember the key point is the inspectors believe that the Iranian programme still contains some military dimensions but they have no proof. They may have no proof because Iran is hiding it or there is nothing to be found.
Except they don't - as they signed the Nuclear NPT and are a member of the UN.
themz foreigners be crazy ennit?
in all seriousness though.. Countries don't have this "right" to nuclear weapons, while i'm well aware the majority of western media portrays Iran unfairly, they're hardly the best candidates to have them.. and it's certainly not in the interest of the west to allow them to proliferate... it depends if you want fairness, or security.. and im not necessarily talking about security from nuclear weapons, i'm talking about financial security, resource security. If Iran gets stronger, we get weaker, simple as....
in all seriousness though.. Countries don't have this "right" to nuclear weapons, while i'm well aware the majority of western media portrays Iran unfairly, they're hardly the best candidates to have them.. and it's certainly not in the interest of the west to allow them to proliferate... it depends if you want fairness, or security.. and im not necessarily talking about security from nuclear weapons, i'm talking about financial security, resource security. If Iran gets stronger, we get weaker, simple as....
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