Horrific and Cruel or Science and Necessary Evolution?

Morgoth said:
You've just insulted every human on earth.
Even the ones with the bad Down's.
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I've no idea what you are on about, sorry. Do you know what your point was ?

Chickens have a brain, they seek food and shelter like humans, they seek to reproduce like humans. As creatures they deserve a little more respect than just being seen as a life support system for a McChicken nugget.
 
Morgoth said:
I do. To call Chickens intelligent is frankly an insult.
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They still want to eat, defecate, sleep and have sex, so they do at least share some common traits with us. I'd argue that many of the social underclass don't really do much else apart from those four things!
 
PianoBasher said:
They still want to eat, defecate, sleep and have sex, so they do at least share some common traits with us. I'd argue that many of the social underclass don't really do much else apart from those four things!
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Those are base instinct. Not intelligence.
 
Morgoth said:
I do. To call Chickens intelligent is frankly an insult.
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Oh, I thought you were making a sensible point, sorry it seems like you weren't :(

Skilmister said:
Good job we weren't "put" on this planet then :)
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We will have to disagree on that one, no big deal :)

In what way is breeding animals that don't feel pain or sadness etc any worse or less ethical than cutting the throats of cows and letting them bleed out for 5 minutes before they die and are then butchered?
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Isn't that what they call an ad hominum argument ?
Therefore the comparison is irrelevant

I've looked at halal butchering a few times and as much as I don't like it from a simplistic cultural viewpoint, I can't honestly see much wrong with it from an efficient butchering position.

Why don't we breed sadness out of humans ?
Nobody likes being sad do they ?

It's unfortunate that there is no word for humanity when it comes to animals.
 
Morgoth said:
Those are base instinct. Not intelligence.
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Well I was going off the post that mentioned "the same instincts" as humans, so excuse my pedantry. :p

In all seriousness though, I find the idea of breeding/cloning/growing/whatever dumb bags of meat for consumption highly disturbing. No I don't know exactly why, but it just feels plain wrong. Cloned animals don't tend to live long so I'm sure there would be something equally messed up with these organisms.
 
Glaucus said:
We are simply part of this world, little difference to any other animal.
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We'll have to differ on that one too, I believe we as responsible for the welfare of such resources. Animals are not responsible for us.

It's not unethical or wrong as they have no feelings, no thought, no Brains.
They would be no different to plants, living organisms with no brains.
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It's taking an animal and removing the bits that make up in essence, that animal. Such a purpose is selfish and unethical.

You don't seek to do the same thing with humans (say for the purpose of making a fearless soldier), so why do you feel entitled to destroy the essence of an animal ?

A chicken starts out with thoughts, by removing those thoughts does not make it's abuse suddenly ethical because we already crossed that ethical boundary by removing it's brain.
 
Morgoth said:
What incredibly insightful thoughts do you think a Chicken has?
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Mmmm... Corn.....

But I'm still not comfortable with turning them into completely dumb meatbags. I've a friend who has several chickens and some of them definitely recognise me and can be quite affectionate, so to suggest that they have *zero* intelligence is wrong IMO. My dad's best mate used to keep turkeys and they were pretty good pets as well tbh. Dumb but still had character.
 
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ChroniC said:
OMG, a religious person with an inability to think logically. Shock, it's almost impossible to believe that could happen.
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Show me my lack of logical thought, while I point out to others your inane predujices which blatantly lack any basis :D

Morgoth, I'm sorry that you feel put out, but you weren't really making any sensible points and it's a bit of a chore to reply to jibes.
 
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Fran said:
We'll have to differ on that one too, I believe we as responsible for the welfare of such resources. Animals are not responsible for us.



It's taking an animal and removing the bits that make up in essence, that animal. Such a purpose is selfish and unethical.

You don't seek to do the same thing with humans (say for the purpose of making a fearless soldier), so why do you feel entitled to destroy the essence of an animal ?

A chicken starts out with thoughts, by removing those thoughts does not make it's abuse suddenly ethical because we already crossed that ethical boundary by removing it's brain.
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Your argument is moot.
At what point does a bunch of cells become a chicken? They aren't breeding chickens to the decapitate their legs and head and grow them.
These chickens would not start out with thoughts.

Is unethical to make an animal suffer, how is it unethical to stop that suffering by making it impossible to suffer?

Fran said:
Show me my lack of logical thought, while I point out to others your inane predujices which blatantly lack any basis :D
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Ok! Say something else, it wont take long.
 
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PianoBasher said:
It's no longer an animal but an abomination in the eyes of many *cough* "religious people"
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This may be true for people without the ability to reason, but those with half a braincell of more might take the time to assess the situation and realise that what they put in their mouth is just a collection of atoms arranged based on a DNA sequence. How this collection is created is not of any consequence in reality.
 
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