If you are treated badly, are you more likely to behave badly?

[RomanNose]

What do you think GD? I know that many different cultures treat people differently and I have always wondered if that such a simple change in the way we treat people can reduce crime and increase equality. For example, the gypsy community in this country are not treated very fairly at all. They are often taken the mick out of or insulted. If we treated them better, would they change their behavior or do you think it would not change.

Also Scandinavia has quite luxurious Prisons and they very low repeating offenders While the US has slave like Prisons and very high repeating offenders. Is this evidence of this link or is it something else?
Interesting article on this below
http://www.forskningsradet.no/en/Ne..._of_Norwegian_onetime_offenders/1253965582124

 

[PardonTheWait]

For example, the gypsy community in this country are not treated very fairly at all. They are often taken the mick out of or insulted. If we treated them better, would they change their behavior or do you think it would not change.

As far as the law and police go, travellers are already treated better than the majority. What else would you like society to do for them?

 

[Number_25]

I would be quite despondent of other peoples feelings as I would probably feel that nobody cares about mine.

 

[RomanNose]

As far as the law and police go, travellers are already treated better than the majority. What else would you like society to do for them?

In respect with the law, they are treated well if not better. However if you give up to a traveller and ask if they feel respected by society. I doubt they will say yes.

 

[[FnG]magnolia]

Sociology - for when an Arts degree is beyond you.

 

[ojrules]

im sure the US's high prison rates are more to do with lack of other opportunities for the future offender, and the tough laws on offending... I would look at the huge areas of poverty in America as a cause of the high prison rate rather than saying " they want to get raped in prison because they like it"

America has a horrifically high incarceration rate per person...

 

[Robbo]

The gypsy community bring it upon themselves for the most part, they will never change no matter how they are treated.

 

[C.R.A.Z.Y]

Of course, we are products of our environment. Millions of years of evolution has clearly shown this.

 

[Efour]

send them back !

 

[[FnG]magnolia]

The gypsy community bring it upon themselves for the most part, they will never change no matter how they are treated.

So is there any topic at all where you don't just have a blanket statement of <ROBBO FACT, I WIN, GET OUT OF MY THREAD > ?

It's kind of embarrassing. And not for me, if you catch my drift.

 

[Robbo]

So is there any topic at all where you don't just have a blanket statement of <ROBBO FACT, I WIN, GET OUT OF MY THREAD > ?

It's kind of embarrassing. And not for me, if you catch my drift.

What?

I suggest you stop hassling me, a lot of people have noticed it and also noticed the recent decline in your attitude and general post quality, it's poor.

 

[Moley]

I'll start treating the Gypo community better when they start declaring all their earnings and prove they pay tax like the rest of us!

 

[RomanNose]

I'll start treating the Gypo community better when they start declaring all their earnings and prove they pay tax like the rest of us!

Yes that is a major problem, but making the gap bigger is not going to help in the long run. If they were at least respected they could start integrating instead of being cast aways. I don't think they would be very wealthy at all if they started paying tax, but I would say that it is much harder to get a legitimate job being a gypsy than the average person.

 

[[FnG]magnolia]

What?

I suggest you stop hassling me, a lot of people have noticed it and also noticed the recent decline in your attitude and general post quality, it's poor.

The gypsy community bring it upon themselves for the most part, they will never change no matter how they are treated.

This is a blanket statement with no corroboration, links or factual basis. Better?

I'm not hassling you, I'm responding to the things you type. I'll ignore the personal insults though.

e : just re-read my reply and it was a little antagonistic, apologies. Still, your blanket statements don't make for good discussion.

 

[Robbo]

This is a blanket statement with no corroboration, links or factual basis. Better?

It's my opinion, which I am entitled to. It is not a requirement to provide links and factual material when you post.

I'm not hassling you, I'm responding to the things you type. I'll ignore the personal insults though.

It isn't a personal insult, just an observation you may want to take note of.

e : just re-read my reply and it was a little antagonistic, apologies. Still, your blanket statements don't make for good discussion.

That's okay. Just for you then:

If we're talking about the 'common' gypsy community, they don't cause trouble purely because of the way they are treated. They are treated the way they are because of the issues they cause.

Obviously that doesn't apply to all of them, but due to their very nature they are perceived as a whole and the troublemakers can be hard to identify.

In my experience they have caused nothing but trouble to people that I know, I don't think there is anything good about them, to me, they're essentially a travelling band of criminals.

I think that (talking over a short period of time) if people were to show them a lot more respect and have a forgiving nature towards them, those people would be exploited for it. I don't think their behaviour would change.

Again, this is my opinion. If yours is different or I'm entirely wrong. Please explain.

 

[Tefal]

In respect with the law, they are treated well if not better. However if you give up to a traveller and ask if they feel respected by society. I doubt they will say yes.

should stop being scum then.

 

[Tefal]

If they were at least respected

why should they be respected when they don't respect the rest of society, if they started respecting others others might respect them.

 

[RomanNose]

http://www.grtleeds.co.uk/History/gypsiesEngland.html
They were persecuted for all of their existence, it's nothing new. It's a chicken and egg situation, someone needs to start to get the ball rolling to actually allowing them to integrate. Be it the council or society, permanent sites should be a priority but councils simply don't care which is just escalating the tension.
Also it's not simply about reform programs Moses, prison conditions need to be improved for one. They are crowded, it's simply not helping.

 

[Twentyone]

im sure the US's high prison rates are more to do with lack of other opportunities for the future offender

Absolutely. If you have nothing to come out for, and nothing to put you back into everyday life then you are almost bound to fail.
And same goes before they offend too.

 

[Robbo]

http://www.grtleeds.co.uk/History/gypsiesEngland.html
They were persecuted for all of their existence, it's nothing new. It's a chicken and egg situation, someone needs to start to get the ball rolling to actually allowing them to integrate. Be it the council or society, permanent sites should be a priority but councils simply don't care which is just escalating the tension.
Also it's not simply about reform programs Moses, prison conditions need to be improved for one. They are crowded, it's simply not helping.

They can just 'stop' being gypsies, you know that right?

They can get a job like normal people, move into a house like normal people and generally do things... like normal people.

Their insistence to live in caravans on land that isn't theirs or that is contested is just stupid. That sort of thing just isn't going to work nowadays, so they need to sort it out.

You seem to be under the impression that it isn't their fault, when really, it is.