*** The Official Nokia 808 PureView Thread ***

[vodkacokebloke]

http://blog.gsmarena.com/nokia-808-pureview-videos-emerge-give-details-about-its-41mp-camera/

This sounds just stupidly impressive, i cant wait to see some sample pictues.

 

[reflux]

Unfortunately the actual phone is a bit of a stinker, proving you can't really polish a poo

 

[Alpherah]

Having too many MP's on a small sensor (of which, phones are stuck using) actually results in worse image quality.

Looks like nothing more then a marketing number to try and sell it to the uninformed masses to me.

 

[Robbo]

There is plenty of information about it in this thread, including sample pictures - http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18376902

Ultimately, aside from the camera, it's a fairly rubbish phone. The sample pictures - while excellent - demonstrate the fact that it isn't much of a step above what is currently available, and certainly what will be available in the next few months.

For people who want a phone and camera and don't care about other features, it could be a decent option, but overall it's not much good. The screen is a poor low resolution as well, so viewing the pictures themselves on the phone will be a chore.

It's merely just a number to make clueless people say 'wow'.

 

[sarge78]

This deserves it's own thread, the technology will filter down over the next few years. Maybe in the photography section?

Having too many MP's on a small sensor (of which, phones are stuck using) actually results in worse image quality.

Looks like nothing more then a marketing number to try and sell it to the uninformed masses to me.

It's a 1/1.2" size sensor. Much bigger than a high end point and shoot like the Canon S95/S100. (Edit: Not far off a Nikon CX sensor) The lens is also very high specification, surpassing dSLR kit lens tolerances (10x greater precision according to the marketing)

The main benefit is adding lossless zoom capabilities without a bulky lens, there's also no bayer pattern RGB interpolation.

Advanced users can shoot at the full 41MP too

 

[Skilid]

I wish people weren't so quick to judge. They haven't even seen the phone in person let alone used one. "Oh it's rubbish" "It's going to be slow" "It's pointless" etc etc.

I've used one. It isn't slow. It works perfectly fine as a phone.

Try it before you knock it. I'm not saying the phone is going to be for everyone, it will be a very niche market. But you simply CANNOT comment on it until you have tried it. End of.

 

[Robbo]

The fact it's running Symbian Belle (which I have tried) is enough basis for me to knock it.

Even if it's blisteringly fast, it's still rubbish.

 

[bam0]

Like Robbo says basically, I can't see many people (anyone?) moving onto Symbian as a platform knowing that its end is in sight.
That's not to say no one at all will buy it, but I can't see how you'd capture any current iOS/Android/WP7 users with it.

 

[feedtheram]

Surely its more of a concept device anyway. I doubt Nokia are counting on this selling many units. They should be applauded for trying things like this. It's exactly the sort of advancement healthy competition leads to.

When Samsung first brought out touchscreen phones they were dreadful - should they have not bothered making any more?

 

[Skilid]

The fact it's running Symbian Belle (which I have tried) is enough basis for me to knock it.

Even if it's blisteringly fast, it's still rubbish.

It's not as good as the others, but rubbish is a bit far. Maybe you don't get on with it but plenty of people still use Symbian devices quite happily.

Like Robbo says basically, I can't see many people (anyone?) moving onto Symbian as a platform knowing that its end is in sight.
That's not to say no one at all will buy it, but I can't see how you'd capture any current iOS/Android/WP7 users with it.

I think it's kind of more aimed as an upgrade for people who have an N8. Sort of. It is a very niche product. If Nokia expect it to sell well then I think they're being naive. I see it as more of a technical exercise. To show what is possible with Nokia technology.

 

[Jay794]

Wow a large number of megapixels, any photographer who knows his lenses knows to take a good photo you need more than just xx number of megapixels.

I suppose though, since it's a phone, big numbers like that just make it easier to market, afterall, who's going to buy a phone based on its camera capabilities.....

 

[Robbo]

It's not as good as the others, but rubbish is a bit far. Maybe you don't get on with it but plenty of people still use Symbian devices quite happily.

If you take away the camera, you're left with a moderately upgraded Symbian device. They are poor, nobody really wants them.

People who still use them generally still have them because they are dirt cheap. I doubt there are many people who would willingly use an N8 over an iPhone 4S for example if they were the same price.

I think it's kind of more aimed as an upgrade for people who have an N8. Sort of. It is a very niche product. If Nokia expect it to sell well then I think they're being naive. I see it as more of a technical exercise. To show what is possible with Nokia technology.

Yes, I like what Nokia are doing here and it's good they are really making strides with camera technology, but it's just disappointing that such a phone is held back by weak hardware features and poor, dead software.

 

[Skilid]

Wow a large number of megapixels, any photographer who knows his lenses knows to take a good photo you need more than just xx number of megapixels.

I suppose though, since it's a phone, big numbers like that just make it easier to market, afterall, who's going to buy a phone based on its camera capabilities.....

Have you read any of the blurb? It's more than just a high number of megapixels. It's advanced software and lens technology as well.

 

[Columbo]

I wish people weren't so quick to judge. They haven't even seen the phone in person let alone used one. "Oh it's rubbish" "It's going to be slow" "It's pointless" etc etc.

I've used one. It isn't slow. It works perfectly fine as a phone.

Try it before you knock it. I'm not saying the phone is going to be for everyone, it will be a very niche market. But you simply CANNOT comment on it until you have tried it. End of.

I'm afraid Robbo is correct though, no amount of decorating can make Symbian an attractive OS.
By today's standards Belle is terrible and is about 5 years late.

No amount of headline grabbing 41mp spiel is going to save it. Apps sell phones in todays market and not only does Symbian not have any its a dead operating system with a nothing future.

This phone is aimed at a market that simply doesn't exist imo and it will go the way of the N8.

 

[Skilid]

If you take away the camera, you're left with a moderately upgraded Symbian device. They are poor, nobody really wants them.

People who still use them generally still have them because they are dirt cheap. I doubt there are many people who would willingly use an N8 over an iPhone 4S for example if they were the same price.

That's like saying you would choose a Mercedes Benz over a Ford Mondeo if they were the same price. They aren't, bit of a silly comparison.

Yes, I like what Nokia are doing here and it's good they are really making strides with camera technology, but it's just disappointing that such a phone is held back by weak hardware features and poor, dead software.

I wouldn't be surprised that if future WP releases supported this sort of hardware then we will have devices with this sort of capability but with a nice smooth, snappy, well worked out OS behind it. Which I for one would be very excited about.

 

[Robbo]

That's like saying you would choose a Mercedes Benz over a Ford Mondeo if they were the same price. They aren't, bit of a silly comparison.

Yes, and the Ford Mondeo probably outsells the E-Class saloon due to the price alone. Nobody would genuinely prefer it.

The 808 is going to cost £400~ is it not? So it's right up there near the top end of the phone price brackets. The camera is going to be the best, but not by enough for it to really matter (in my opinion).

I wouldn't be surprised that if future WP releases supported this sort of hardware then we will have devices with this sort of capability but with a nice smooth, snappy, well worked out OS behind it. Which I for one would be very excited about.

As would I. If this was running Windows Phone and had a better screen resolution, I'd be throwing my money at the screen.

 

[sarge78]

Yes, I like what Nokia are doing here and it's good they are really making strides with camera technology, but it's just disappointing that such a phone is held back by weak hardware features and poor, dead software.

Dead software, fair enough but weak hardware features? Come on...

 

[Skilid]

As would I. If this was running Windows Phone and had a better screen resolution, I'd be throwing my money at the screen.

Well then let's wait and see then eh?

 

[Robbo]

Dead software, fair enough but weak hardware features? Come on...

Erm, yes? Aside from the camera what is particularly good about the hardware:

The OS is Symbian Belle; the engine is a 1.3GHz single-core chip; the display is 4-inches corner to corner but its resolution is a Nokia-style 360 x 640 (nHD). There's 512MB of RAM and 16GB of on-board storage that is thankfully expandable via microSD.

Unless I'm missing something?

Well then let's wait and see then eh?

Indeed.

 

[Edinho]

Alternatively buy a proper phone and buy canon IXUS. Can't understand who they are targeting with this photographers won't touch this with a barge pole, and a teenager wouldn't be seen dead without an iphone/android. Crazy.