iPhone 4S - Is it now behind the times?

I don't think widgets are all that essential. They are nice - no doubt - but I quite like the slide down notification bar with little widgets on it that Apple have at the moment.

It works quite nicely. I think they will introduce widgets in some form, but they won't be exactly like the ones on Android, they'll be more limited but hopefully more reliable.
 
If they aren't essential then Apple would leave them out.

To the OP's question: the answer would be no.

Since the iPhone 4S is more than capable doing tasks of other high end handsets. However, the screen sizes and or openness of other operating systems such as Android and maybe Windows 8 are no doubt going to make some people think twice when buying/upgrading to and from an iPhone4/4S.
 
openness of other operating systems such as Android and maybe Windows 8 are no doubt going to make some people think twice when buying/upgrading to and from an iPhone4/4S.

People looking for "openness" is a very small margin though. And in a way, the "open" factor, after some time, works against it, rather than for it.

I was Android fan for a long time. Couldn't imagine switching to something like IOS that didn't have proper multitasking, or even basic features like a quick wifi, 3G and bluetooth toggle on home screen. And then - as "douchy" as it will sound - I got to the point where my life got really busy and mobile communication became in professional terms really serious matter, and I had a very, very little time to constantly play around with half baked flashes that would often leave my phone semi screwed until next patch for days, randomly crashing overclocked features, sometimes laggy governors not waking up the phone quick enough etc. What I took for granted in android platform became a bit of a chore, required constant maintenance, attention. I could no longer allow my phone to lose a text message thread or crash while answering call. If my call was accidentally dropped I could no longer trust that it wasn't because of a kernel module that some student working via forum form a dorm in Prague borrowed in the middle of the night, from a semi working Singapore rom made for a completely different phone, for his custom compilation of what is, on a best of its days, a beta OS anyway.

I realised that until I am able to tweak and customise, I will always tweak and customise. And that tweaking and customising will always lead to seldom, minor, but definite instability of what was, at the end of the day, no longer just casual and social communication tool. And I will regret it. So I moved to IOS. It's fast enough out of the box. It's got enough apps out of the box. It does most of the things, good enough, out of the box. Cannot tweak it therefore cannot break it or make it unstable. Works well ever since I switched. Many things work better, as it's a 100% match between hardware and software. Camera for example, no more lagging, no more searching for better app, no more hunting for focus when reading barcodes, point, 1 second, done. No more car bluetooth loosing sync with the phone after few hours. No more card cleanups, corruptions, repartitionings and running fscks before updates - there is no card, there is no problem. No more worrying if the next update will soft brick the phone. So on, so forth.
 
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Well yeah, if you jailbreak and mess around with your iPhone you'll have the same problems, if you had left your Android stock and installed a few apps I'm sure you would have a pretty smooth running, normal phone just like an iPhone - none of the custom ROMs etc on Android are in the slightest bit 'necessary'. The nice thing is the choice - my wife has a Droid 2 that is completely stock and has worked perfectly for her, I have a Droid 1 that is running all sorts of custom stuff that crashes occasionally but then is OC'd, with a custom ROM etc.

You can't blame Android for your lack of self control when it comes to tinkering with innards, or rather praise Apple for making it too hard for you :p Though that said I very much doubt jalibreaking is any harder than installing a custom ROM if that was the way you wanted to go.
 
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Browsing and video would be the driving force i would say.

Could agree with the nexus/note although I Really do think they're too big for comfortable one handed use


I spend 90% of my usage browsing and have no issues whatsoever . It certainly didn't improve when I swapped to the s2. Infact it was a little worse off from Loosing those few pixels

The windows devices aren't getting bigger are they ? I just feel the android manufacturers are pumping out phone after Phone with unused spec bumps and an extra .1 of a "
 
Well yeah, if you jailbreak and mess around with your iPhone you'll have the same problems, if you had left your Android stock and installed a few apps I'm sure you would have a pretty smooth running, normal phone just like an iPhone - none of the custom ROMs etc on Android are in the slightest bit 'necessary'.

The weird thing is tho - with Android phones I always felt like they needed to be tweaked, optimised, overclocked. Lag here, slow scroll there, battery drain somewhere else, rouge app not closing properly needing appkiller in the background to make sure the phone survives the night to wake me up to work in the morning. Product lifespan on android market is 3 months max with manufacturers loosing interest in back development faster than you can report bugs. So we were usually left to our own when it came to ironing out issues, moving on to newer OS (also being released every few months) or speeding device up to use all of its abilities. With iphone, that "need for speed" just vanished. It does everything fast enough stock (something that none of my android phones did and I could no longer wait for them to do so). There isn't THAT much to gain from jailbreaking in day to day use. Certainly not as much as could be gained by custom roming Android phone. I might be tempted to eventually jailbreak my iphone just for the sake of quick toggle switchers (that way I could extend battery life by a day), but I think Apple might eventually just resolve the drains themselves.
 
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People looking for "openness" is a very small margin though. And in a way, the "open" factor, after some time, works against it, rather than for it.

I was Android fan for a long time. Couldn't imagine switching to something like IOS that didn't have proper multitasking, or even basic features like a quick wifi, 3G and bluetooth toggle on home screen. And then - as "douchy" as it will sound - I got to the point where my life got really busy and mobile communication became in professional terms really serious matter, and I had a very, very little time to constantly play around with half baked flashes that would often leave my phone semi screwed until next patch for days, randomly crashing overclocked features, sometimes laggy governors not waking up the phone quick enough etc. What I took for granted in android platform became a bit of a chore, required constant maintenance, attention. I could no longer allow my phone to lose a text message thread or crash while answering call. If my call was accidentally dropped I could no longer trust that it wasn't because of a kernel module that some student working via forum form a dorm in Prague borrowed in the middle of the night, from a semi working Singapore rom made for a completely different phone, for his custom compilation of what is, on a best of its days, a beta OS anyway.

I realised that until I am able to tweak and customise, I will always tweak and customise. And that tweaking and customising will always lead to seldom, minor, but definite instability of what was, at the end of the day, no longer just casual and social communication tool. And I will regret it. So I moved to IOS. It's fast enough out of the box. It's got enough apps out of the box. It does most of the things, good enough, out of the box. Cannot tweak it therefore cannot break it or make it unstable. Works well ever since I switched. Many things work better, as it's a 100% match between hardware and software. Camera for example, no more lagging, no more searching for better app, no more hunting for focus when reading barcodes, point, 1 second, done. No more car bluetooth loosing sync with the phone after few hours. No more card cleanups, corruptions, repartitionings and running fscks before updates - there is no card, there is no problem. No more worrying if the next update will soft brick the phone. So on, so forth.

This is a very good post for the most part and I understand where you are coming from. However, as Rich has pointed out in the post above, much of what you have described are things that you have chosen to do. This is no doubt a product of the 'need' you feel to tinker, but still without root and ROMs you can still easily destabilise an Android phone, I've experienced it with many.

If you venture even slightly into the customisation side of Android, you will generally run into some problems. I have on all of my devices. A lot of the Android phone threads are, for the most part, people having problems with something. These problems are mostly ones that are brought on due to something they've done, but they are still problems all the same.

This particular part of the forum isn't really a great representation of how people perceive phones as a whole. Most people in here like Android for the things it allows them to do - and so they should. If you want a mobile media station, you really can't beat the top end Android phones.

However, if you want a phone, the iPhone offers an extremely well polished, no (extreme) frills mobile device that gets the job done extremely well. It allows you to do almost everything you can with an Android device, just in a different manner.

You can't blame Android for your lack of self control when it comes to tinkering with innards, or rather praise Apple for making it too hard for you :p Though that said I very much doubt jalibreaking is any harder than installing a custom ROM if that was the way you wanted to go.

It's actually easier than rooting when a complete Jailbreak has been achieved. You just put your device in DFU mode and click a button. Rooting is generally a touch harder than this, but not much.

Could agree with the nexus/note although I Really do think they're too big for comfortable one handed use

I spend 90% of my usage browsing and have no issues whatsoever . It certainly didn't improve when I swapped to the s2. Infact it was a little worse off from Loosing those few pixels

The windows devices aren't getting bigger are they ? I just feel the android manufacturers are pumping out phone after Phone with unused spec bumps and an extra .1 of a "

The way Safari handles websites for smaller screens is excellent. I've tried all Android browsers and generally, there are none that I prefer over Safari. Other than the level of content on the screen, the browsing experience of this forum for example on the iPhone is equal to that of even the Galaxy Nexus. The texts on Android are a mess.

I did manage to sort this by using Boat Browser and maximising the font size, but that just blew up fonts all over the place and made viewing other websites a chore, which means you're effectively left having to use more than one web browser. Hardly ideal.

As I've mentioned earlier, iOS has been designed with these things in mind. It works excellently on the smaller, 3.5" display. The only time I've ever really wanted it to be bigger was for watching video with the phone at a bit of a distance, but I do that very rarely.

The weird thing is tho - with Android phones I always felt like they needed to be tweaked, optimised, overclocked. Lag here, slow scroll there, battery drain somewhere else, rouge app not closing properly needing appkiller in the background to make sure the phone survives the night to wake me up to work in the morning. Product lifespan on android market is 3 months max with manufacturers loosing interest in back development faster than you can report bugs. So we were usually left to our own when it came to ironing out issues, moving on to newer OS (also being released every few months) or speeding device up to use all of its abilities. With iphone, that "need for speed" just vanished. It does everything fast enough stock (something that none of my android phones did and I could no longer wait for them to do so). There isn't THAT much to gain from jailbreaking in day to day use. Certainly not as much as could be gained by custom roming Android phone. I might be tempted to eventually jailbreak my iphone just for the sake of quick toggle switchers (that way I could extend battery life by a day), but I think Apple might eventually just resolve the drains themselves.

I agree with this as well, especially the first part.
 
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I don't think it's behind the times, it's got a good sized screen for a phone, if you need a bigger screen perhaps an iPad would be better :p
 
I'm sure there will be more users picking SGS2 for OS, speed and customisation despite almost embarrassingly geek-tablet size and screen that's too wide for single hand, one thumb typing than number of people that buy 4S and think "darn, if only the screen size was bigger"...

Sorry, late to the party here and all, but I thought this was funny. Did you get the OS's mixed up? Android is the one where people have the choice of hundreds of handsets. Apple are the ones that leave people with just one choice if they want that OS.

"I want an Android... oh, looks like I have to buy the SGSII..." :confused:
 
For me all smart phones fail due to battery life. I won't be getting one till the battery lasts 3 days without a charge like my Nokia.

I did wonder about being very sarcastic here, but instead I'm genuinely interested as to why you need your phone to last 3 days?
 
I did wonder about being very sarcastic here, but instead I'm genuinely interested as to why you need your phone to last 3 days?

I'd rather charge 5 times a day than have to suffer a rubbish old Nokia purely out of stubbornness. ;)

In the event he's away from a charging area for more than 3 days he can easily fix that with a spare battery/charging pack.

Plus, there's no definition of use there either, quite a few phones can go 3 days under fairly light use.
 
Tbf I hope the Razr Maxx is a bit of a game-changer and kick-starts a high-capacity category of smartphones.

Is it strictly necessary to have a phone that lasts 2, or 3 days of proper usage? No.

Would it be very nice to be able to forget to charge your phone overnight once in a while, or to not worry about packing a phone charger for a weekend away - Frankly yes, it would. And if the Razr Maxx people can pack a huge battery into a phone that size, then no, I'd rather not have to carry around a spare battery or charging pack when it can clearly be done in a normal sized phone :p

And for what it's worth, the iPhone 4 did a fantastic job with battery life too :)

After all, 'always on' functionality is only useful if, well, your phone is 'always on' rather than having an empty battery :p
 
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My g/f got one from a 3GS, and to be honest the 4S was not that impressive. She was disappointed as well and she is an Apple "fan girl"

The SGSII with ICS (got the latest Samsung leak) is much better, IMO, to be honest, and the apps argument does not hold any longer.

On the tablet front, I feel the same, my Xoom with ICS is way better than my iPad, IMO. The only gripe is the Sonos app for tablets is not as good as the iPad's.

I just like the fact I can make the homescreen look however I want to with the multitude of apps out there, and the google integration is spot on (the newer version of maps etc are awesome)
 
The SGSII with ICS (got the latest Samsung leak) is much better, IMO, to be honest, and the apps argument does not hold any longer.

I think the butchered Samsung version is awful. It's excellent on the Nexus.

As for apps, I still think many of the iOS ones are noticeably better, but it isn't such a big issue anymore.

On the tablet front, I feel the same, my Xoom with ICS is way better than my iPad, IMO. The only gripe is the Sonos app for tablets is not as good as the iPad's.

The iPad is currently leagues ahead of the Android tablets overall.
 
I think the butchered Samsung version is awful. It's excellent on the Nexus.

As for apps, I still think many of the iOS ones are noticeably better, but it isn't such a big issue anymore.



The iPad is currently leagues ahead of the Android tablets overall.


It's fine for me, the latest build is smooth and stable (XXLPH I think?)

I agreed with you, until I put ICS on my Xoom. I never use the iPad now (g/f does). I don't see from what angle the iPad is "leagues ahead".
 
The yearly release cycle inevitably means that even if it is the best on release it will be overtaken.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5584/htcs-new-strategy-the-htc-one

Take the new HTC Tegra 3 and Krait phones for example.

However, it's not like it is that far behind, especially with Apple doing well to put in a powerful GPU which has taken half a year for Android phones to catch up to.

If you are talking about software, well that is so subjective I won't even bother to comment.
Even Tergra 3 is way behind the GPU in the Iphone 4s. It could be a long whle before Andorid phones catch up.
 
Yep, they're all years behind :rolleyes:

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The SGS3 could even out muscle the Vita.
 
It's fine for me, the latest build is smooth and stable (XXLPH I think?)

It's smooth and stable for me as well. The issue is the fact that they've taken stock ICS and done their best to make it look like Gingerbread and ruin everything I loved on the Nexus.

I know you can modify it and achieve an ICS theme similar to the Galaxy Nexus, but it just isn't the same. Not to mention that heavy modification can cause all manner of problems.

I hate Samsung for it, it's needless stupidity. :(

I agreed with you, until I put ICS on my Xoom. I never use the iPad now (g/f does). I don't see from what angle the iPad is "leagues ahead".

Applications. If you rarely use them it's not much of an issue, but apps are the bread and butter of tablets for a lot of people and there is simply no comparison to be made on this front.

All of this will ultimately come down to opinions, the Android tablets are perfectly functional but they are almost universally slated in comparison to the iPad. I find that a little unfair in some respects as some of them are very nice, but work needs to be done.

There is only one instance where I would personally buy an Android tablet (for the moment) and that is for watching video files.
 
My 2 cents:

Good:
- Design
- Build Quality
- Access to Apps

Bad:
- OS doesn't look or feel any different
- Pages and pages of icons
- Ridiculously expensive.

I used to love my iPhone 3GS, but then I just got bored with the interface and wanted something different. It still doesn't really look much different to this day.
 
I no longer understand why people say "small screen" when referring to iphone 4S. It is the most successful "one size fits all" screen in history of mobile phones. It's been copied by just about every manufacturer on the planet. Anything with bigger screen, ultimately, in pure sales numbers, failed. And so it should, considering the amount of research that has gone into making sure it fitted perfectly into "average" hand of any Joe on the planet. I can't imagine why anyone would want it bigger at this point in technology.

Think different, one size fits all! A 3.5" might be usable by average joe, but for this of us with bigger hands a bigger screen is perfectly manageable and preferable. Besides which, larger phones have sold fine (sgs2, htc desire, nexus etc).
 
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