Is it supposed to do that?
Oscar Nominations 2012
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Is it supposed to do that?
I think it should at least don't you?
Whether they should or not is a different question to whether or not that is what they are actually charged with doing.
Besides, I'd say making a silent film nowadays is pretty adventurous...
Given that the vast majority of cinema goers have never seen a silent film I'd say that a silent film would could definitely be classified as at least slightly challenging cinema.
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Why are the acceptance speeches so cringe worthy? I can't even bear to watch them. Really, just get up on stage, say thanks and STFU with all the tears and gushing crap already. Jesus 
It's not challenging or adventurous at all in my opinion - Would it be challenging or adventurous if Nokia were to re-release the brick mobile phone?
Bit of a weird example I agree
But my point is, this is 2012 and using old out-dated styles of film making feels like a step backwards. It doesn't seem entertaining nor reminiscent (Unless you're over the age of 80...).Surely the awards should be given to people trying to push movie making forward rather than rehashing an old idea.
Not really no - but thats the creative arts for you...
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If I was an actor I imagine it'd be really frustrating
There's most certainly room in the modern day market for a film like The Artist. There are many great examples of silent films made post-"talkie", and so many films released in the modern day are a throwback to one era or another (take Scorsese's last two films, for example). And to suggest that technological advancement is the same as exploring the art-form and breaking new ground is downright ignorant - I can't think of many films that have revolutionised the medium (the industry, perhaps) which rely upon the fact that they have sound, are in colour or are digital to have done so.
Whether it was actually the best film of the year, and whether it can be considered a great silent film, is another question. It was a little too kitsch for me, personally. It certainly didn't do anything to make the genre more accessible for those who know nothing of silent film in general, so I don't really see the point in watching it instead of true classics of the genre.
Whether it was actually the best film of the year, and whether it can be considered a great silent film, is another question. It was a little too kitsch for me, personally. It certainly didn't do anything to make the genre more accessible for those who know nothing of silent film in general, so I don't really see the point in watching it instead of true classics of the genre.
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It would be adventurous, yes. It would be foolish, but that's technology, not art.
Marky said:Bit of a weird example I agree
It didn't win technical awards, did it? It didn't win Best Sound Editing. It won Best Picture.
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It's hardly rehashing an old idea, now, is it? It's using old techniques to tell a new story. Or would you decry The White Stripes in favour of some godawful noisecore electronica just because the former uses old techniques and the latter new?
If I was an actor I imagine it'd be really frustrating
Why? Are you saying that the actors in The Artist didn't act as hard as actors in another film?
And it didn't deserve to in my opinion. What makes it the best picture in your opinion?
God no, if anything I'd prefer The White Stripes - but in that case you're not fixing something that's broken (I.e. Electronic music will never take over from an acoustic performance, whereas coloured movie technology and sound has taken over from older black and white muted movies so why use it?)
I believe there were other actors in the nominations (And more importantly, others that weren't even nominated) that didn't get any recognition. I believe the actor won his award for The Artist purely because it was the movie the Academy believed in the most and not because of his skill behind camera. I don't believe that is the right way to go about awarding people for their talent in this industry.
I wont be happy if Streep gets best actress & Oldman doesn't get best actor.
******* Yanks!
It's gone way past that though. If we imagine the "noisecore electronica" to be ultra modern digitally shot green screen CG action movie and the "white stripes" to be proper film shot action with rugged heroes and solid good vs evil story, then The Artist is like one of those annoying German DJ's that thinks sampling some awful vaudeville piano tune over Andrews Sisters chorus to generic beat makes for a great summer tune for a "over 40's singles dancing" night at Bingo club in Baden Baden.
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I don't see how you can ignore the fact that they made a great film without the use of voices. By your logic, we should have given avatar everything when it came out because it pushed technological boundaries. A film is a film and if people like it then that is the most important thing. There was every chance that The Artist could have been a laughing stock and rubbish. It wasn't and you have to admire someone that can make a silent film that competes in this day and age.
Everyone is complaining about this film and that film not winning and yet these are all films that I have seen all of you have very differing views on. Drive was amazing or crap, same for troll hunter etc etc.
The Artist has been the most acclaimed film in all areas this year so why wouldn't it clean up? What was better? Certainly not Hugo.
I don't see how you can ignore the fact that they made a great film without the use of voices. By your logic, we should have given avatar everything when it came out because it pushed technological boundaries. A film is a film and if people like it then that is the most important thing. There was every chance that The Artist could have been a laughing stock and rubbish. It wasn't and you have to admire someone that can make a silent film that competes in this day and age.
Everyone is complaining about this film and that film not winning and yet these are all films that I have seen all of you have very differing views on. Drive was amazing or crap, same for troll hunter etc etc.
The Artist has been the most acclaimed film in all areas this year so why wouldn't it clean up? What was better? Certainly not Hugo.
Those complaining about The Artist - have you actually seen it? I feel like 99% of people annoyed it won haven't seen it.
I've seen most of the best picture nods this year and felt it deserved all the awards it got.
I've seen most of the best picture nods this year and felt it deserved all the awards it got.
To be honest, my main point with The Artist is that it didn't deserve all the awards it got. The Academy, every year, seem to pick one or two films and just throw awards their way Therefore, they miss out many other movies that I feel deserved it more...
Therefore, they miss out many other movies that I feel deserved it more...It's not my opinion that it should or shouldn't have won. It's my opinion that its failure to leverage cutting edge technologies does not in any way disqualify it from being the best picture.
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My point with the White Stripes is that they deliberately used ancient analog recording equipment which leaves the music sounding like it was recorded on a broken dictaphone at the bottom of a tin mine. They used inferior technologies (cf: silent film) as part of their artistic vision.
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Typically actors work in front of the camera, but whatever. ZING. Anyway. You disagree about whether he should have got best actor. Fine, whatever. You've not really quantified that, though, beyond the fact that he appeared in a film you didn't like and you believe that film has been unfairly favoured.
The White Stripes is not "proper film shot action with rugged heroes and solid good vs evil story" unless that also encompasses seeing the strings holding things up and the film quality being terrible. As for the rest of the sentence... I'm not sure what point you're making. It's not quite in the vaudeville pop mash-up territory, is it? It's not like they've made a silent black and white Transformers film. They've used a medium that fits with the story they're telling to enhance the atmosphere.
But it didn't deserve as many awards as it got - Like I've already said my main point was not that it won so many awards and used older technology - It was that the Academy always favour one movie and run with it.
In that case I totally agree - you probably would have been better off referencing the Foo Fighters and how they used analogue for their latest album (making it their greatest album - Check it out seriously - It blows my mind
). However with music when you use Digital technology you are losing the clarity in some respects and this is why they did that. In Movies there is no reason to return to old technology.
He won the Best Actor award because The Artist was the chosen film in the Academy's eyes. This is my point.
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Anyway, great discussion.