*** The Official Nokia 808 PureView Thread ***

Psycho Sonny said:
wtf does it matter if its Symbian?

honestly Symbian Belle can do anything any other phone can do, but people like Robbo will say it "feels" slower, etc which is just a bunch of crap tbh.

sure my nokia N8 may not open app's instantly, but neither does my ipod touch of similar age.

im pretty sure this phone will be fast and Symbian Belle is practically the same as android, just not as many apps (many of which are a load of crap).

it also has the best free offline sat nav available.

now let me get this straight:

emails - yes
camera - best of the best
sat nav - best of the best
android like OS - yes

seriously what more could you want? you do not need a dual core cpu on a phone, not yet anyway
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Yet another instance of you not knowing what you are talking about. You clearly have little to no experience in using any of the devices you are comparing the N8 to. As you know, I own an E7 and N8 and I've used Symbian Belle and Anna both extensively, so my conclusions are drawn from that.

Symbian Belle can do much of what other operating systems can do, but it's ugly, slow, boring and generally quite poor for the most part. Using the email client and web browser is an absolute chore compared to other devices. Horrible.

The N8 and E7 running Belle are far, far slower than pretty much all Android and iPhone equivalents.

There are some decent apps, but overall they are poorly designed, very slow and don't work all that well. There is no way it will ever be comparable in real terms to WP7, Android and iOS. If you think otherwise you are just kidding yourself.

This phone is an exhibition of camera hardware, just like the N8 was (to a lesser extent, as Symbian had a bit of life left in it then). Yes, this particular device should be faster and more responsive, but that won't make enough of a difference to make it good.

As for the sat nav being the 'best of the best' - you obviously haven't tried any of the alternatives. It's an average offline sat nav solution at absolute best.

If you want a camera and something to actually phone people with, then yes, there's nothing wrong with this. However, for people who want an actual smart phone, this will be blown out of the water by just about everything in its price band. :)

fez said:
Huh? Are you telling us that because an OS can do all the things other OS's can, that it is comparable. I have used symbian and yes, it can do most of the things my iPhone can but its still crap. Horrible to use, slow and unintuitive.

It won't get new updates after a while and it will be a bit slow. There is a huge difference between playing with an out of the box phone and one that has been in use for months with lots of apps so you cannot say that its fast after a few minutes play.

The camera is pretty amazing but do people genuinely place the quality of camera over the functionality of the phone? Its a ridiculously chunky beast which is pretty much the size of a P&S which sort of negates the point of a camera on your mobile if your mobile grows to the same size.

When they put it on android or WP7 I would be interested but until then, no thanks.
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Indeed, but Sonny has been championing Symbian as an OS that is just as good as any other since he got his N8, which is nonsense and we all know it.
 
If Google made there maps downloadable to phone like Nokia does (apart from the 20 mile areas you can preload) and one of the manufacturers paired that ability with a camera that has a xenon flash and a decent sensor then I'd likely ditch Symbian myself tbh.

It does seem odd that they would put this camera onto another Symbian device, could Microsoft be preventing them with there WP7 requirements/restrictions?
 
If I had to describe this phone briefly:
£498 camera, £2 smartphone.

That camera is utterly astonishing. The image quality is rivalling that of dedicated cameras worth ~£500. Nokia should start making cameras tbh, they've got potential.

The operating system and hardware is just terrible though. If this phone was running Android, I reckon they'd sell 10 times more handsets. Why they're still insisting on Symbian is beyond my comprehension.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
wtf does it matter if its Symbian?

honestly Symbian Belle can do anything any other phone can do, but people like Robbo will say it "feels" slower, etc which is just a bunch of crap tbh.

sure my nokia N8 may not open app's instantly, but neither does my ipod touch of similar age.

im pretty sure this phone will be fast and Symbian Belle is practically the same as android, just not as many apps (many of which are a load of crap).

it also has the best free offline sat nav available.

now let me get this straight:

emails - yes
camera - best of the best
sat nav - best of the best
android like OS - yes

seriously what more could you want? you do not need a dual core cpu on a phone, not yet anyway
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ill just lol past your post and continue loling for the rest of the day

thanks for entertainment :D
 
Best of the best satnav? Yeah enjoy that on a 640 resolution screen!

Lol, you tell good joke kid! :p
 
mrk said:
Best of the best satnav? Yeah enjoy that on a 640 resolution screen!

Lol, you tell good joke kid! :p
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lol wtf does the size of screen got to do with how good a sat nav is?

do you look at the screen or the road? seriously? or do you have a lazy eye so can look at both?

name me another sat nav which is free and can be used with zero data what so ever, also has world maps, etc.

your an idiot if you think nokia don't have the best sat nav software out there
 
The best satnav doesn't equal having world maps, there's no such thing as best anyway, there's simply better than others. Nokia's Ovi/Maps is better than some others, but not better than the other big ones.

The screen size is important for seeing street names around you or POI, if the screen is small then it makes it harder to see what's coming up or what's around you. People don't just use satnav to go from A to B you do realise, it's commonly used for many other things like finding points of interest around your active route or getting a better idea of where you are as you can see more stuff around you on a bigger resolution screen.

Anyway, how many times do you personally use satnav? I've been using phone based Nav since the HTC Magic and can account for over 30,000 miles of navigation around the UK so I think my experience with different Nav software on varying screen sizes and resolutions is quite valid by now.

You're just an obvious Ovi/Nokia fanboy who posts without a care in the world for sentence structure or punctuation though, so I'm not exactly expecting your next reply to raise the bar.
 
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Robbo said:
Yet another instance of you not knowing what you are talking about. You clearly have little to no experience in using any of the devices you are comparing the N8 to. As you know, I own an E7 and N8 and I've used Symbian Belle and Anna both extensively, so my conclusions are drawn from that.

Symbian Belle can do much of what other operating systems can do, but it's ugly, slow, boring and generally quite poor for the most part. Using the email client and web browser is an absolute chore compared to other devices. Horrible.

The N8 and E7 running Belle are far, far slower than pretty much all Android and iPhone equivalents.

There are some decent apps, but overall they are poorly designed, very slow and don't work all that well. There is no way it will ever be comparable in real terms to WP7, Android and iOS. If you think otherwise you are just kidding yourself.

This phone is an exhibition of camera hardware, just like the N8 was (to a lesser extent, as Symbian had a bit of life left in it then). Yes, this particular device should be faster and more responsive, but that won't make enough of a difference to make it good.

As for the sat nav being the 'best of the best' - you obviously haven't tried any of the alternatives. It's an average offline sat nav solution at absolute best.

If you want a camera and something to actually phone people with, then yes, there's nothing wrong with this. However, for people who want an actual smart phone, this will be blown out of the water by just about everything in its price band. :)



Indeed, but Sonny has been championing Symbian as an OS that is just as good as any other since he got his N8, which is nonsense and we all know it.
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symbian may not be better than android, but i hate iOS for many reasons to list. if nokia had put android on this i would buy it, but my next phone will most likely be a budget orange smartphone when they make one with a decent camera, seriously the nokia n8 does everything i want it to do so and i dont see me upgrading for a long time, because i have no need to upgrade.

i am not one of these idiots who wastes money on buying a new phone every year, i buy a new phone when i need a new one, not when i want a new one.

much like those geeks who must have the latest GPU, my 4850 is still doing me well, when it can no longer do what i want, i will buy a bang for buck card which can.

people who always buy the latest tech are sheep, they follow the masses, you do not buy a new lawn mower every year, do you? no you buy a new one when the old one breaks or is no longer fit for purpose.
 
This is another Nokia N-Gage; they'll hype up the product, sell a handful of units and discontinue the device after a year.
 
mrk said:
The best satnav doesn't equal having world maps, there's no such thing as best anyway, there's simply better than others. Nokia's Ovi/Maps is better than some others, but not better than the other big ones.

The screen size is important for seeing street names around you or POI, if the screen is small then it makes it harder to see what's coming up or what's around you. People don't just use satnav to go from A to B you do realise, it's commonly used for many other things like finding points of interest around your active route or getting a better idea of where you are as you can see more stuff around you on a bigger resolution screen.

Anyway, how many times do you personally use satnav? I've been using phone based Nav since the HTC Magic and can account for over 30,000 miles of navigation around the UK so I think my experience with different Nav software on varying screen sizes and resolutions is quite valid by now.

You're just an obvious Ovi/Nokia fanboy who posts without a care in the world for sentence structure or punctuation though, so I'm not exactly expecting your next reply to raise the bar.
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luckily Ovi maps tells you exactly what street you are on and what street you are turning onto by voice :o

therefore you never need to look at the screen ;)
 
i am not one of these idiots who wastes money on buying a new phone every year, i buy a new phone when i need a new one, not when i want a new one.
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Awesome! So let's get this right, your opinion is that people who buy new phones, simply because they like to have the latest tech, are sheep? And that you only buy new phones when the old one breaks? That in itself is fine but everything else you just said is a bit of a cop out and falls flat on its illogical face.

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Baaa.
 
Putting a 41MP camera onto a phone is nothing more than an attention grabbing PR exercise from a company who knows they need the spotlight. It is nothing more than a tech demo, and if the average DSLR needs no more than 14-21MP, then a phone sure as hell needs no more than 12MP. I see nothing impressive about it other than the number.

Symbian is also a turd, Belle is a minor polish of that turd, and nothing can change that.
 
"...much like those geeks who must have the latest GPU, my 4850 is still doing me well, when it can no longer do what i want, i will buy a bang for buck card which can"


- Pyscho Sonny, ICS'd HP touchpad owner.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
can you use that with zero data? ;)
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Why wouldn't you be able to? Google Nav was updated months ago so you could cache routes when you set the destination at home over wifi or send the customised route from your PC browser via chrome2phone (can't do that on Nokia Maps...). It caches the whole route and map tiles and also potential offshoots. As long as you don't have traffic updates then it uses no data.

If it does use data then it uses a minimal amount anyway.

On a 201 miles route to Stoke I tested this and the latest Google Nav used about 21MB of data when calculated over 3G. It's just more efficient, detailed, more up to date and more customisable and can be polled from any Chrome or Firefox browser, on top of that you can poll multiple routes to your inbox and simply click then destination after destination and if you lose your customised route (if the battery dies or whatever) then you simply click the link from the email again and it's back on track.

When you reach a destination, Google Nav loads Street View to show you the door you should be looking for, does Nokia Maps do that?

No.
 
Cacheing routes on google maps still only lets you do 20mile areas does it not?

Bit of a chore for longer journeys!

You can also do custom routes via: http://maps.nokia.com/

Don't get me wrong, I prefer googlemaps in a lot of ways but have been caught out more than once where phone signal was lost and the map soon disappeared after which was rather a pain!

Really wish Google would allow full map downloads for there turn by turn navigation.
 
mrk> Whilst I thought that street view feature was an excellent idea, I tried it the other day, and it showed me a house on the other side of the road, on a regular odds/evens street rather than my destination address lol.

Personally I'd rather have the standalone GPS app on my phone. 21MB on one route is quite a lot when you are a 500MB tariff for example. I'm not knocking google maps here, but it's still got a way to go to be decent. If I was going to use my phone for GPS, I wouldn't rely on GMaps to take me places, I'd buy a GPS product from the market that doesn't require a connection.

Also.. with regard to the camera, don't forget it's not using a Zoom lens, like a DSLR (or indeed a regular camera) would have, so this zoom (crop) abilty is actually pretty neat. OK, it's an attention grabbing exercise, but still. very ingenious. However, I'd personally rather see decent lens/colour reproduction etc than 41mp being processed.
 
You can manually cache 10 square miles of map tiles and up to 10 of those IIRC but route calcs just fill up the default map tile cache as normal. My map tile cache was 120 odd MB until I cleared it all out when switching ROMs.
 
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