Corporate controlled food industry

jakesnake

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Yes. Poor standards of farm animal welfare combined with over-reliance on antibiotics; pressure from government to adopt GM technologies; routine pesticide use
polluting our land and water supplies; major corporations controlling our food systems - these are all features of our very own British food system.


watch the film called "Food Inc" for an indepth look behind the Veil. You may never eat the same again :eek:

http://www.foodincmovie.co.uk/
 
jakesnake said:
Yes. Poor standards of farm animal welfare combined with over-reliance on antibiotics; pressure from government to adopt GM technologies; routine pesticide use
polluting our land and water supplies; major corporations controlling our food systems - these are all features of our very own British food system.


watch the film called "Food Inc" for an indepth look behind the Veil. You may never eat the same again :eek:

http://www.foodincmovie.co.uk/
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it is a few years old though, and based on America not the uk.
 
Farming and the food industry is MILES different from the US in this country.

Food Inc is an eye opener though. :(
 
You still have a choice not to eat these food. The food I eat aren't from any of the corporations in the video, and it wasn't a difficult thing to do.
I do agree it's eye-opening but when you have millions to feed day in day out, corners have to be cut, and certain practices have to be carried out.
 
jakesnake said:
i dont think there is a sell by date on this information. this film was shot in America yes but these industrys are world-wide.
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does it not? so when they were saying about how in the old days when it used to be done before this mass culling was done, that is still applicable today :confused: things change, and I think things are a lot stricter over here.
 
It's pretty simple, "normal" farming methods from 100 years ago would leave current populations starving to death, wars, civil wars and massive worldwide famine.

People want to keep living in this capitalist "we want more" society, the world wouldn't work with less intensive farming and less food, simple as that.

The farm industry does mad stuff to grow animals quicker and have less become diseased......... because people want vast quantities of cheap meat available to vastly higher populations, nothing more or less.

Capitalism would fail completely without continual population growth, its a ponzy scheme that lives of ever increasing numbers of contributing workers, farm industry is just another area where higher production for lower cost HAS to happen for our current style of society to work.
 
There's always a lot of hysteria around the various farming methods used in the modern world, and personally I view most of the problems stemming from the supermarket culture we have moved to. When I buy meat I always go to the local farmshop, where I find the produce is cheaper and higher quality than the supermarkets but importantly I also know the standards the animals have been reared to. On the rare occasion I get meat from a supermarket, it's got to be British, it's got to be free range. I'm as yet unconvinced over the benefits of organic, but free range is clear to see, and animal welfare goes without saying in my book...
 
jakesnake said:
i dont think there is a sell by date on this information. this film was shot in America yes but these industrys are world-wide.
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Look at the chickens in that movie for example. They all come from one company nation-wide in the US according to the film. They're all broilers which develop meat before most of their vital organs. Disgusting stuff.

In this country you can't battery lay anymore.

Farming is worldwide. Not all industries are the same.

Stop trying to scare mounger and stick to the facts. The video is horrific.
 
Just because we have these new methods doesnt, for example mean that the people working at these plants dont follow the rules set out, id look at anyone abusing animals with a fine tooth pick, they obviously arent mentally stable.
 
drunkenmaster said:
It's pretty simple, "normal" farming methods from 100 years ago would leave current populations starving to death, wars, civil wars and massive worldwide famine.
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farming methods have been revolutionized and every single thing you have listed still exsists in the world today and shows no sign of being fixed. so im confused at this point you have made.

the world is becoming obease so we should be eating less which ultimatly means we dont need mass production and this system. people should eat less but more quality foods. not cheap quantity.


Add: all im trying to do here is make people aware of the choice they have. i just want to promote local food that not only could make you feel more healthy and energized but will help your local economy aswell. i guess im against this potential centralization of power over food that takes decision making away from the farmer and gives it to a boardmember with no clue. too many bad consequences for me, which are shown in the film.
 
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jakesnake said:
farming methods have been revolutionized and every single thing you have listed still exsists in the world today and shows no sign of being fixed. so im confused at this point you have made.


the world is becoming obease so we should be eating less which ultimatly means we dont need mass production and this system. people should eat less but more quality foods. not cheap quantity.
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the western world is somewhat becoming obese, but doesn't suffer from famine at all, 3rd world countries with problems industrialising farming do have increasing problems with famine as population increases.

If we didn't farm as intensively as we did, the western world would also be starving.

We still ship in VAST quantities of food from around the world, which doesn't go to much closer countries that have huge famine problems. We import craploads of fruit from Africa, while Ethiopa suffers, we import rice while places far closer to where it is grown also suffer with famine.

Imagine if money was taken out of the equation a vast portion of our food stops being shipped in and our intensive farming methods didn't work anymore, think what would happen. Same situation that occurs elsewhere in the world would happen here, rich/greedy get more, others suffer.

You're confusing the existance of famine, with the lack of it here.

There also actually is give or take enough food for the world being produced now, but greed as I've said generally prevents it going where its needed. People here and many places eat far more than they should, while many people in Asia and Africa die every day from famine. If the US/UK/EU produced a lot less food, well, we'd likely take a lot more food from other continents but also generally have less food "at home" as well.

I mean, common infections killing people is all but irradicated in the UK and has been for 50 years, but people die from basic infections in other parts of the world. Solving something in one location doesn't solve it for everyone.
 
jakesnake said:
farming methods have been revolutionized and every single thing you have listed still exsists in the world today and shows no sign of being fixed. so im confused at this point you have made.

the world is becoming obease so we should be eating less which ultimatly means we dont need mass production and this system. people should eat less but more quality foods. not cheap quantity.


Add: all im trying to do here is make people aware of the choice they have. i just want to promote local food that not only could make you feel more healthy and energized but will help your local economy aswell. i guess im against this potential centralization of power over food that takes decision making away from the farmer and gives it to a boardmember with no clue. too many bad consequences for me.
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its not just meat, its everything, and not just food. people want stuff cheap. and to be cheap it needs to be made in huge quantities, its just the way it is. and I don't think this film really changes too many people opinions, as you would be naïve to believe that mass produced food came from animals jumping and skipping around nice green fields.
 
drunkenmaster said:
the western world is somewhat becoming obese, but doesn't suffer from famine at all, 3rd world countries with problems industrialising farming do have increasing problems with famine as population increases.

If we didn't farm as intensively as we did, the western world would also be starving.

We still ship in VAST quantities of food from around the world, which doesn't go to much closer countries that have huge famine problems. We import craploads of fruit from Africa, while Ethiopa suffers, we import rice while places far closer to where it is grown also suffer with famine.

Imagine if money was taken out of the equation a vast portion of our food stops being shipped in and our intensive farming methods didn't work anymore, think what would happen. Same situation that occurs elsewhere in the world would happen here, rich/greedy get more, others suffer.

You're confusing the existance of famine, with the lack of it here.

There also actually is give or take enough food for the world being produced now, but greed as I've said generally prevents it going where its needed. People here and many places eat far more than they should, while many people in Asia and Africa die every day from famine. If the US/UK/EU produced a lot less food, well, we'd likely take a lot more food from other continents but also generally have less food "at home" as well.

I mean, common infections killing people is all but irradicated in the UK and has been for 50 years, but people die from basic infections in other parts of the world. Solving something in one location doesn't solve it for everyone.
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im sorry dont want to be rude but, what points are you making here? its just a bunch of ramble to me. im not sure it even makes sense.


i told you obeasity is a problem which you agreed. so your responce seems to be: at least there is no famine. you then state "If we didn't farm as intensively as we did, the western world would also be starving." which i think is a riddiculous thing to say considering that obeasity is a major problem. Obeasity = the "over" production and consumption of food in my eyes. so there is no need for the intensive farming that you think is necessary.

there is 1 point i will make towards the rest of your post about buying from 1 country while the country next door is starving. this is a clear indicater that this type of system is being setup and used by corporations in these countrys. when a system like this is setup it will eventually eliminate all competition. so farmers next door are blown out of the water.

Add: competition in my eyes is a very healthy thing to have in the world. it keeps everyone honest and to try and improve without cutting corners. this seems to be what this system wants to get rid of. weather corners are being cut or not "we are the only place that sells it" type of thing.
 
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We do have a huge issue with fertiliser run off, but the laws on it are being tightened. EU is hot on getting rivers back to standards. Did the thams recently become habitual again, but still in need of much improvement. Sure I read something on it.
 
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