The tolerant Catholic Church

[Danthus]

This really. If people want to be gay then that is one thing, but they cannot be parents. They are not supposed to be parents. If the child is male he will get repeatedly beaten up at school.



You can't get pregnant by sticking mr winkie up a man's bottom . (Honestly - Tefal told me!).

Since when did being a parent mean that you have to conceive the child?

 

[233]

This really. If people want to be gay then that is one thing, but they cannot be parents. They are not supposed to be parents. If the child is male he will get repeatedly beaten up at school.



You can't get pregnant by sticking mr winkie up a man's bottom . (Honestly - Tefal told me!).

thats a ridiculous notion, sure a man and a man cannot concieve a child but sticking your hoo hoo in a womans doo hickey for 5 minutes doesnt make you a parent. I have no problem with same sex couples raising children and having several same sex couples within our cirlcle of friends I have to say from personal experience they could do a damn site better job of it than most oarents out there



perhaps the catholic church should STFU until they put their own house in order and admit and address their own breaches on human rights and the illegal and imoral behaviour that has been tolerated and in cases covered up within the church

 

[OpenToSuggestions]

Since when did being a parent mean that you have to conceive the child?

I was being silly. I have known many terrible parents and knocked someone up does not make you a parent, the following 18 years do.

 

[SteveOBHave]

Dunno - there have been a few times where it's felt like I've been giving birth, like after the last boys night out at the local all you can eat ribs joint...

I must add that there was not bottom or mr winkie interaction at the event... not that I have anything against it, it's just that it would've been inappropriate at the dinner table...

 

[thedoc46]

Since when did being a parent mean that you have to conceive the child?

If it was meant to be, then trust me, it would be possible by nature. Since it's NOT possible outside then you have to sit back and think why. For starters. A child needs his mother. Two women would be better and strange as it is, certainly better than two fathers, who are probably more interested in nancying around in tight clothing at gay clubs than being a responsible father.

Its a definate no go... The kids will grow up weird and confused.

This will be the start of the end if this ever became common practise.

 

[SteveOBHave]

certainly better than two fathers, who are probably more interested in nancying around in tight clothing at gay clubs than being a responsible father.

Its a definate no go... The kids will grow up weird and confused.

This will be the start of the end if this ever became common practise.

A wicked sweeping generalisation if ever I saw one...

 

[[FnG]magnolia]

who are probably more interested in nancying around in tight clothing at gay clubs.

And here we get to the real reason and it's nothing to do with parenting ability. The OP doesn't mind lesbians but gay guys? Not on his watch, what with their tight clothing and nancying around!

 

[233]

A wicked sweeping generalisation if ever I saw one...

indeed, sounds like the sort of nonesense you would here spouted by some man hater from mumsnet.


being a man or a woman doesnt automatically make you a better parent, I've seen terrible and brilliant examples of both. its about what kind of person you are, not what you have between your legs

 

[dowie]

I honestly don't comprehend how allowing gay marriage will "deprive a child of a mother or father."

Surely gay couples help provide children with parents as they're more likely to adopt.

As in they will only have two mums or two dads so will be 'deprived' of the other....

Still tis a rather pointless point - plenty of kids are brought up fine with a single parent and being adopted by a gay couple is likely going to be much better for the child than being left in care homes etc...

 

[stockhausen]

David Cameron used his party speech two years ago to support gay marriage "Because I went to Public School".

 

[ringo747]

The response to this is just another example of the general hate campaign against any form of religion. The sooner the UK loses it's Christian country tag the better. The UK is nothing of the sort. I can see with all this equal rights nonsense that the values of the country are going down the pot.

If somebody wants to be a poofter it is none of my business regardless of how I feel about it.

I am totally against the thought of gays being parents. It is totally wrong in my opinion and a father and mother bring a perfect balance. It is nature after all... if everyone evolved to be gays then that would be the end of reproduction and new generations.

Just think of the abuse a kid would get at school... "What does your mum do?"... Er, actually I don't have one. Absolutely shocking and I'd pity anyone born into such circumstances.

As mentioned above there are lots of rubbish parents who provide an awful environment for their kids to be born into. That is a separate issue but it certainly is as harmful.

 

[dowie]

Equal rights under law include the right to get married....I, for one think that marriage should be legal for gay couples, straight couples or group systems such as Polygyny, Group Marriage or Polyandry. Who are we to decide what works for each of us.

^^^ this really

as long as it doesn't lead to exploitation I don't see why a genuine 'marriage' can't be between more than two people or either gender. Whether it be a Muslim man with more than one wife or some rather open minded liberal types who've decided to have a group marriage in whatever combination. It shouldn't take too much effort for such a group to draw up a form of pre-nup to agree on issues such as custody of kids, share of assets etc.. should one or more party want to end their part in the 'marriage'.

 

[dowie]

I am totally against the thought of gays being parents. It is totally wrong in my opinion and a father and mother bring a perfect balance. It is nature after all... if everyone evolved to be gays then that would be the end of reproduction and new generations.

'gays' have been around for centuries - the population hasn't 'evolved' into 'gays' and we're not in danger of dying out or reproduction ending simply because 'gays' exist....

Just think of the abuse a kid would get at school... "What does your mum do?"... Er, actually I don't have one. Absolutely shocking and I'd pity anyone born into such circumstances.

Gotta be better than 'I live in a care home and different govt employees look after me'

Plenty of kids have single parents too - why not two of the same sex.

 

[SteveOBHave]

Honestly - kids are going to get a ribbing at school regardless - nothing will ever change that. The narrow mindedness and plain ignorance of some people does amaze me sometimes. If a mother and father situation is a 'perfect balance' then how do you explain all the serious **** ups in society that have grown up in exactly that scenario. With all due respect (and there isn't a lot of it) rubbish parenting is exactly the issue - trying to make the two mutually exclusive is foolish.

 

[PlacidCasual]

David Cameron used his party speech two years ago to support gay marriage "Because I went to Public School".

Wow the supposed socialist denouncing a public schoolboy as only supporting gay rights on the implication that he's engaged in it. What a principled argument.

 

[aaron]

If it was meant to be, then trust me, it would be possible by nature. Since it's NOT possible outside then you have to sit back and think why. For starters. A child needs his mother. Two women would be better and strange as it is, certainly better than two fathers, who are probably more interested in nancying around in tight clothing at gay clubs than being a responsible father.

Its a definate no go... The kids will grow up weird and confused.

This will be the start of the end if this ever became common practise.

Wow! Just wow! see your the perfect example of why these misguided predjudices should be stamped out...ive seen a few same sex couples and by "GOD" they make some of the best parents I have ever had the pleasure of meeting and although im personally completely straight I aspire to be at least half the parent they are if i were to ever have kids.

Your prejudices shine right through in your statement there and shows a complete lack of knowledge with regards to the subject.

and how will the kids grow up weird and confused, its not a case that theyll all grow up to be "bumders" as its not a choice. The birds and the bees will still be explained to them and after that its down to them what path they take. The only differance it WILL make will be that they have a much less close minded view of the world than the majority of bigots that are around and as such hold much less prejudices against people different to them, whether that be racially, sexually etc etc.

EDIT:

Ps and just when has something not being natural ever stopped something being right? many many things that humans do are unatural but are still genrally accepted and have become a part of life, need i list them? and also just because it isnt natural for you for instance to choose to kiss a guy etc it dosnt mean its not natural for another person. Its not like people have a choice on who they are attracted to.

 

[OpenToSuggestions]

and how will the kids grow up weird and confused, its not a case that theyll all grow up to be "bumders" as its not a choice. The birds and the bees will still be explained to them and after that its down to them what path they take.

Whilst I agree we should not actively encourage it.

Back on topic - Religion needs stamping out as soon as possible really.

 

[Makhaira]

Church trying to impose their beliefs on the world as supposed "rights", thereby seeking to remove liberties for all those who don't conform to their ancient preconceptions of what is right and wrong.

Did I miss anything?

The fact that the church's opinion is even worthy of note in a purely legal matter baffles me to be honest.

/manages to put lid back on bottle of rage, walks away

 

[JaWalks]

Just because someone believes that homo's should not be parents does not make that person ignorant or narrow minded. There is nothing wrong in believing that it is not a healthy or natural environment for bringing up a child.

 

[aaron]

Whilst I agree we should not actively encourage it.

Back on topic - Religion needs stamping out as soon as possible really.

Fair enough but i dont think it should be discouraged either, it should just be "there" as such.

I dont think any particular stance should be preached as the right way as it is up to people what path they want to take, and other peoples views and opinions of what is right or wrong should not be imposed on them and as such we shouldnt actively encourage straight relationships or gay. We should just let kids for instance know the two sides to the story and then let them choose whenever they start to feel feelings inclined to one side or the other.