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ringo747 said:
So where did marriage come from? Who invented it? Mr Marriage presumably?

So you think it wouldn't be a breach of 'equal rights' to remove the right from religious people to have a religious marriage?

It's a bit like racism only being racism if black people are the victims... equal rights only applies to the minorities who shout the loudest.
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Like I said in my previous post, marriage has been around in one way or another since the BC years. Marriage wasn't invented, it's just come about through people wanting to be monogamous.

I wouldn't say religious marriages should be banned. What I am asking is how on earth the church has laid claim to the idea of marriage and sought to ban anyone they dislike from being married.

I'm an atheist, as is my girlfriend, should we be banned from marriage too?
 
ringo747 said:
So you have to resort to the animal kingdom now really?

In that case some more questions:

  • Is there such a thing as a moral code?
  • Do animals have the same knowledge or normal v abnormal?
  • If there is a moral code where does it come from?
  • In the UK a guy cannot marry his sister, why is this? Who sets the rules? What code does it follow?
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I'm bringing it up as earlier in the thread you were the one who chucked out the 'not natural' vote. You brought nature into it first. While it appears that homosexuality is in fact natural.
 
Jay794 said:
How can it not be a choice?! you either choose to like **** or not. It is not built into peoples brains, if it was then you could argue that pedos have it built into them
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This is why I said that your lack of knowledge clouds your judgement. You may want to stick by your own principles and feelings but that's fine, it's your preference and your choice but sexual preference isn't something generally anyone has control over. It doesn't mean that homosexuals were once straight and now they are gay. The chances are they were always gay, but in denial and never really knew it or were too frighten to come clean with themselves, let alone with others.

Pedo's occupy a sexual state of mind.. It's not a gender preference.. It's completely different.
 
LOAM said:
hahahhahah you cant be "brought up" gay
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Agree, but that kid who's being raised genderless is definitely going to end up either, gay, a pedo, a serial killer or a cannibal, that crap just aint normal.

Admiral Huddy said:
This is why I said that your lack of knowledge clouds your judgement. You may want to stick by your own principles and feeling but that's fine. It's your choice but sexual preference isn't something generally anyone has control over. It doesn't mean that homosexuals were once straight and now they are gay. The chances are they were always gay, but in denails and never really knew it or were too frighten to come clean with themselves, let alone with others.
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So you're telling me, a straight guy, who has been in a straight relationship for 8 years, If I suddenly decide that I want to find out what being gay is like, that I've always been gay, just in denial?
 
Angilion said:
What is "the unity of marriage" and how is it eroded by allowing the negligable amount of people who want to marry inanimate objects to do so?
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Mm'k, say you bought a shiny new BMW, but then everyone else bought a Chinese copy for a £1 which was exactly the same except it only went as fast as 30 mph.
When they were all parked up in the car park, how special would you feel ?

Marriage is also a community thing, it symbolises a solidity and a set of values which is valued by society and historically they have been based in religion. Allowing groups that are more communally perceived as socially disruptive (as in not the norm) undermines that solidity. If someone married their dog, what would marriage symbolise in terms of society, just that society is disparate and chaotic.
 
ringo747 said:
So where did marriage come from? Who invented it? Mr Marriage presumably?
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No. The word 'marriage' can be traced back as far as a Latin word referring to a married man, but no further than that. Nobody would seriously suggest that marriage didn't exist before the Romans because the modern English word for it is derived from Latin. People just called it something else before then. The only reason so much etymology stops at Rome is because there's a lot of Latin still around today and no writing from earlier than that.

Only a minority of words have their origins in a person's name.

Marriage (the concept, not the word) is prehistoric, so nobody knows where it came from. It may well predate humans entirely, even predate the entire homo genus. Some animals pair-bond for life, which is a marriage.
 
Marriage

"In Ancient Greece, no specific civil ceremony was required for the creation of a marriage"

It existed before Christianity (according to wiki).

Would it not be easier to just split marriage into different groups, Christian marriage & just marriage?

I do find it amusing that Christians think they hold a monopoly on the term marriage....
 
I will be the first, well probably not the first, to say that gay men tend to creep me the **** out.

However, I fully support their right to marry and be parents. Just because I find it a bit weird doesn't make it wrong.

Hell I find nearly everything anyone else does on a day to day basis a bit weird.
 
Fran said:
Mm'k, say you bought a shiny new BMW, but then everyone else bought a Chinese copy for a £1 which was exactly the same except it only went as fast as 30 mph.
When they were all parked up in the car park, how special would you feel ?
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That's not an example, for two reasons. Firstly, the two cars are different. The two marriages aren't. Secondly, buying possessions as a display of wealth to demonstrate higher status makes sense but getting married to do so doesn't.

Marriage is also a community thing, it symbolises a solidity and a set of values which is valued by society and historically they have been based in religion. Allowing groups that are more communally perceived as socially disruptive (as in not the norm) undermines that solidity. If someone married their dog, what would marriage symbolise in terms of society, just that society is disparate and chaotic.
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Ah, I see. So we shouldn't allow Muslims to get married. How about "inter-racial" marriages? Allowed here, not allowed in the USA? OK to have banned them in the USA in the past, as they went against the norm? Etc.

Society is disparate and chaotic. Good job, too, as the only societies that aren't disparate and chaotic are very efficiently totalitarian ones.
 
ringo747 said:
I'd be interested to see some articles that back that up. Genuine request.
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Back what up?

The etymology? That's not at all contested. Just look at any decent source for etymology. Online etymology dictionary is good for a free site.

http://www.etymonline.com/

The fact that some animals pair-bond? That's not at all contested either.

So what are you asking for?
 
elmarko1234 said:
I do find it amusing that Christians think they hold a monopoly on the term marriage....
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For most societies they do, you can't rewrite history to include previously invisible groups.
Pagans had a form of marriage that predates all societies but generally all were crushed, even now there are very few performed even though as a ceremony they are pretty good (well, better than the rather depressing registry affairs anyway)
 
ringo747 said:
So can somebody please tell me is there such thing as a moral code or not?
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Who's moral code, from which stance?, judged by what standards?.

As nobody can even agree on the definition of "moral code" & even those that do, can't agree on what it should be - I'd say no.
 
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