There's no need for debate or any intelligent discussion here, 'end of' will suffice.
The tolerant Catholic Church
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There's no need for debate or any intelligent discussion here, 'end of' will suffice.
Are you saying you have the urge to be with guys and children only you choose ignore it?
lol.
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You seem to be confusing the Church and individuals within the Church.
Just because a small percentage of priests have been guilty of abuse doesn't mean they all were. I have read figures as low as 0.12% of clergy (when using convictions) and as high as 6% (using all accusations and including consensual adult relationships)
Even using the highest figures still means that 19 out of every 20 priests had no involvement in any abuse.
This thread isn't even related to abuse and yet still a number of posters have felt the need to come out with their own ignorant and hate filled comments. Pure bigotry.
Lol no not at all, I'm saying that as a straight guy, I have never had any urges towards men (or kids for that matter) but if suddenly I woke up and decided I wanted dick, how can anybody claim that is just years of denial?
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even more ironic that the pope has actively covered up so many occurances of male priests abusing young boys. i guess its ok for a man and a boy but not a man and a man?
the sooner religion dies off the better, IMO.
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Hilarious because it's true!
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you sound like you are fighting too hard to stay in the closet
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The Catholic Church have said some outrageous things, but generally speaking, they're following the teachings of scripture that's over two thousand years old and therefore relatively outdated. Of the major Christian religions, I'd say they were perhaps the worst at adapting to the times. Let us not forget that Gay sex has been occurring throughout various monarchies, and emperors over the years in states that were Catholic. However, I imagine the Bishop (?) in the original article has to follow the stated party line. Not to mention same sex marriage is still a right which is lacking in most of the Western World (look at the states)....
The guys just following the party line. The fact that he's catholic means that there will be a larger amount of outrage at the fact that he's said it, however we don't have one of these posts every time an American politician with influence says the same thing, because ultimately people don't care so much and just dismiss it as an idiotic politician.
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The guys just following the party line. The fact that he's catholic means that there will be a larger amount of outrage at the fact that he's said it, however we don't have one of these posts every time an American politician with influence says the same thing, because ultimately people don't care so much and just dismiss it as an idiotic politician.
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i agree the kid would most likely get bullied. but then dont we have to change the perceptions of children (and the parent that gave them such BS in the first place)
my best mate is 'a gay'. him and his partner would both make excellent parent and in fact he is coming up to stay with us for a bit soon to help look after our nipper and let the wife get some more sleep
i feel for him as he will never really know what being a father is all about and he idolises my son.
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Genesis was a band wasnt it? ive never read the bible, im too old for fairy tales.
anyhow, marriage was around long before jesus ** Removed - Show some respect **
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oh come on, do you believe that BS? really? and the world is only 6 thousand years old too... just ignore the dinos please
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haha no not at all.. I'm straight too and I've never had any feeling towards other men ,, but generally I think most gay people know that something isn't right, some even from a young age.
By the time they realise, they are old enough to know maybe being gay isn't something that will necessarily go down to well or even accepted. They go into deniel. Some are forthcoming, others aren't so. Ask yourself one question, your son tells you he is gay, how do respond?
I have a few gay friends who have told me that his was the case. I don't have a problem with them at all. They know i'm straight and they respect that. It's fine.
That is not an argument against gay adoption. If fighting cancer was meant to be then it would be possible by nature, etc, etc...
Biology.
LOL.
Do you have any evidence to backup your claim?
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me and my wife got married in a castle... **** removed *** . we both are atheists so a church wedding seemed a stupid idea.
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Can’t really see the issue here, if the Catholic Church is against same sex marriage that’s their prerogative. You can’t force people to change their views or silence their voices just because you disagree with them. The Church is well within its rights to speak up in what it believes in.
Personally I’m against same sex marriage as in my opinion marriage should be between a man and a woman, a civil partnership should suffice. Nothing against gay people, hope they are happy but if some are uneasy about it they should be free to do so.
On the adopting side I’m strongly against gay couples adopting children as the child needs a mother and father figure in their life. The argument for “what about single mothers, fathers” is just ridicules as is due to some misfortune or another, hence being described as an unfortunate / un-ideal situation. Purposely placing a child into this “unfortunate” situation is wrong.
Again personally, I find homosexuality unnatural and in truth I find it dis-pleasurable viewing homosexual intimacy, but that’s probably more to do with upbringing than anything else. You often hear people counteracting the unnatural claim by pointing out “flying in aeroplanes is unnatural” or “your PC not made from a tree” etc and again this argument is ludicrous at best.
Personally I’m against same sex marriage as in my opinion marriage should be between a man and a woman, a civil partnership should suffice. Nothing against gay people, hope they are happy but if some are uneasy about it they should be free to do so.
On the adopting side I’m strongly against gay couples adopting children as the child needs a mother and father figure in their life. The argument for “what about single mothers, fathers” is just ridicules as is due to some misfortune or another, hence being described as an unfortunate / un-ideal situation. Purposely placing a child into this “unfortunate” situation is wrong.
Again personally, I find homosexuality unnatural and in truth I find it dis-pleasurable viewing homosexual intimacy, but that’s probably more to do with upbringing than anything else. You often hear people counteracting the unnatural claim by pointing out “flying in aeroplanes is unnatural” or “your PC not made from a tree” etc and again this argument is ludicrous at best.
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Now that i agree with. I don't understand atheists who deliberatly get married in church weddings. A couple-friend of ours are getting married in a few months at a church and were telling us all about how to snickered through the meeting with the vicar. Erm, just get married somewhere else?
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well, religion has worked out so well in NI hasnt it?
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thedoc46 said:
This is kind of the small minded uneducated response I'd expect from a homophobic who doesn't quite see that everyone is different and from which society could really do without. I don't blame anyone for being homophobic. Most fears are driven by something they don't understand.