The tolerant Catholic Church

[Neutralmilk]

Just spent time reading this thread and some of the stuff that’s been posted baffles the mind. For a start being Gay is not a choice as some people have posted. I’m gay and have two older brother and two older sisters, all straight. Also that you’re up bringing will have anything to do with your sexuality again is rubbish, my dad was a bare fist fighter and is a really hard guy. Both my brothers are cage fighters and one a national champion at Thai boxing...I can see where I got my gayness from there.

What gay people are looking for is not to get married in a church per say it’s for the government to recognise same sex marriage. I don’t care if it’s in a church as religion is not a part of my life so if a certain religion does not view it as marriage then that’s up to them. I’m actually from the same town as this bishop and grew up as a catholic so I know exactly who he is. The other bishop from the same parish used church money to get plastic surgery on his nose...that’s totally “natural”

My sister who is single and a social worker adopted a little boy just over a year ago as a single parent you have to have other family members who are also known as “role models”. I was chosen for this and it’s one of the most proud moments in my life when I was asked. I can ensure you that my influence will be far better on this child than his parents who are a married straight couple who are drug addicts who have had a number of children taken in to care.

Being gay is not a choice and I can ensure you of that, I went through a stage in my life when I was 13-15 years old hating myself due to being raised as a catholic and gay. I even thought I wanted to become a priest as I thought that my “gayness” would go away if I was “closer to god”. Growing up a realised how much it was all a pile of rubbish in my eyes and my family excepted me.

Also for the people who said that all the catholic church hate gays, that’s also rubbish. I’m a godfather to one of my nephews and also a friends child and I told the priest on both occasions I was gay and he said it was fine and he had no issues about it at all.

 

[Jay794]

Ask yourself one question, your son tells you he is gay, how do respond?

I would probably be disappointed at the lack of grandkids, but its his life choice, I certainly wouldn't stop him and his boyfriend coming round for Christmas dinner

zero urges to men... yet being gay is a choice?

strong.

What I'm saying is, I can actively make a choice to explore my sexual feelings towards men, then based on that experience decide that I like men or I can just go on living the "normal" life with my girlfriend,

Thus being gay is a choice, like I said before, you like dick or you don't

It's not some deep routed thing sitting dormant in me for years, I have no interest in men at this moment in time, so therefore, I am straight, whats to say that couldn't change and thus, I have made an active choice.

Doesn't mean I was gay all along and living in denial at all

me and my wife got married in a castle

A CASTLE?! thats awesome!

 

[elmarko]

Can’t really see the issue here, if the Catholic Church is against same sex marriage that’s their prerogative. You can’t force people to change their views or silence their voices just because you disagree with them. The Church is well within its rights to speak up in what it believes in.

Perhaps the religious institutions should stop trying to claim a monopoly on marriage then, because it's been around longer than them.

Personally I’m against same sex marriage as in my opinion marriage should be between a man and a woman, a civil partnership should suffice. Nothing against gay people, hope they are happy but if some are uneasy about it they should be free to do so.

Again, you are implying that marriage = religious concept, it's not.

On the adopting side I’m strongly against gay couples adopting children as the child needs a mother and father figure in their life. The argument for “what about single mothers, fathers” is just ridicules as is due to some misfortune or another, hence being described as an unfortunate / un-ideal situation. Purposely placing a child into this “unfortunate” situation is wrong.

Do you evidence to backup the idea what a child with 2 same sex parents would have an inferior upbringing (when you take into account the stupidity of the average person).

Again personally, I find homosexuality unnatural and in truth I find it dis-pleasurable viewing homosexual intimacy

Stop watching gay pron then.

You often hear people counteracting the unnatural claim by pointing out “flying in aeroplanes is unnatural” or “your PC not made from a tree” etc and again this argument is ludicrous at best.

Animals do it also, it's natural - we are animals.

It would be pretty unnatural if we didn't have any homosexuals (when looking at the animal population).

I'm straight, but I don't give two monkeys what two people get up-to in the bedroom, neither do I think it's reasonable or acceptable to marginalise anybody for something as insignificant as choice of partner (which if you think about it, isn't exactly a big deal).

Unless specific evidence can be provided as to why same sex couples should not be able to adopt, I see no problem with it.

Finally, when will people accept that marriage isn't a Christian ceremony, it is not.

 

[spudbynight]

Also for the people who said that all the catholic church hate gays, that’s also rubbish. I’m a godfather to one of my nephews and also a friends child and I told the priest on both occasions I was gay and he said it was fine and he had no issues about it at all.

This is the official Catholic position on homosexuals

The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

Heck, I sing in my parish Choir in Brighton. I am normally the only straight man in the Choir.

 

[Jay794]

TBH, I would find it a little weird having to witness 2 dudes kissing in public, I find it odd that I don't feel the same about watching 2 girls do it though

Society is a weird thing

 

[Admiral Huddy]

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[steve-h]

You often hear people counteracting the unnatural claim by pointing out “flying in aeroplanes is unnatural” or “your PC not made from a tree” etc and again this argument is ludicrous at best.

To me, everything is 'natural', but to someone who you may perceive as small-minded a "well, medicine isn't natural" reply usually suffices. Also loads of animals are homos.

 

[realBabelfish]

Now that i agree with. I don't understand atheists who deliberatly get married in church weddings. A couple-friend of ours are getting married in a few months at a church and were telling us all about how to snickered through the meeting with the vicar. Erm, just get married somewhere else?

well, the castle was much more than a church lol. my wife wanted some lovely old building. i think people like churches without all the bible stuff. i love churches, they are excellent buildings, sadly wasted.

 

[Jay794]

I am so getting married in a Castle!

Whether being gay is a choice or not, it definitely ain't my choice

No matter what you think about peoples sexuality, I think we can all agree, the Pope and the Catholic Church/Religion are jokes

 

[realBabelfish]

whoever posted this link:

http://newsthump.com/2012/03/04/dre...ently-supports-thing-he-has-no-experience-of/

genius!

 

[realBabelfish]

I am so getting married in a Castle!

look them up. ours cost about £800 for the whole day. we even had my cousin's choir sing there (none religious songs) and we could choose music we wanted too. i would very much recommend it!

 

[Tefal]

Now that i agree with. I don't understand atheists who deliberatly get married in church weddings.

They're beautiful buildings, and it's traditional?

A couple-friend of ours are getting married in a few months at a church and were telling us all about how to snickered through the meeting with the vicar

what does that even mean?

 

[Craterloads]

Do you evidence to backup the idea what a child with 2 same sex parents would have an inferior upbringing (when you take into account the stupidity of the average person).

Nature decided a man and woman are needed to procreate, Mother Nature knows best. Pointing out the stupidity of the average person is a lame duck argument; two wrongs don’t make a right...

Stop watching gay pron then.

I was talking about in general public, but nice cheeeeeep shot

Animals do it also, it's natural - we are animals

I would like to class humans above mindless beasts.

“Researchers found that disabling the FucM gene in laboratory mice – which influences the levels of estrogen to which the brain is exposed – caused the female mice to behave as if they were male as they grew up.”

As research shows homosexual behaviour in the lab mice was due to a genetic abnormalities, something unnatural.

 

[spudbynight]

even more ironic that the pope has actively covered up so many occurances of male priests abusing young boys. i guess its ok for a man and a boy but not a man and a man?

the sooner religion dies off the better, IMO.

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That is potentially libellous.

Got any evidence to back up that serious allegation?

 

[spudbynight]

I think we can all agree, the Pope and the Catholic Church/Religion are jokes

Well, the majority of people in the world have a faith. I guess that puts you in the minority.

 

[Jay794]

Well, the majority of people in the world have a faith. I guess that puts you in the minority.

I believe in God, I just don't understand why anybody would get up early on a sunday to hear about how they're gong to hell and how they can only have sex if they plan on having a kid out of it

don't kill people
don't rape people
don't steal stuff
don't cheat on thy girlfiend

Thats my religion

 

[Yamahahahahaha]

To my understanding, Marriage is a religious ceremony between a man and a woman.

If the religion you belong to does not allow you to have a same-sex Marriage then you're out of luck. And as long as a Civil Partnership is Marriage in all but name, I don't see the problem?

What's more wrong is to have children in foster care when there are perfectly stable, loving couples (that also happen to be gay) who would be willing to adopt.
There is no truth in the Cardinal's misguided beliefs that the gender and sexuality of the parents has any bearing on their capacity to love and look after a child.

Anyone who has seen Neil Patrick Harris' and his partner's photos with their two adopted kids can see how nauseatingly happy their family unit is.

 

[RomanNose]

Marriage is not a religious ceremony, religions have tried to make it one but the root of the meaning is not from religion but a way of unifying two people. I think the name is important, calling it civil partnership sounds like there is a difference between heterosexual and homosexual couples. There isn't though. I dislike funerals and Church weddings, I would rather they would just secular.

 

[Jay794]

As far as I'm concerned, it takes place in a church (Traditionally) therefore it's a religious thing, just like Baptism or Christening

 

[Craterloads]

Marriage is not a religious ceremony, religions have tried to make it one but the root of the meaning is not from religion but a way of unifying two people. I think the name is important, calling it civil partnership sounds like there is a difference between heterosexual and homosexual couples. There isn't though.

But there is an actual difference between the two, so shouldn’t one be able to differentiate?

Man & Woman

Man & Man

Woman & Woman