The tolerant Catholic Church

Gackt · 5 Mar 2012 at 17:09

OpenToSuggestions said:
This really. If people want to be gay then that is one thing, but they cannot be parents. They are not supposed to be parents.

Humans aren't supposed to fly, but we manage it and it has been one of the most important inventions in human history. It does a lot of good.

If the child is male he will get repeatedly beaten up at school

Surely that's indicative of a wider social issue, rather than "they are gay therefore they get beaten up"? And it would be more important to tackle the reasons why people irrationally hate other people, than simply restrict people's lives and freedoms to appease that irrationality?

Craterloads · 5 Mar 2012 at 17:11

RomanNose said:
They can come under the term of marriage, marriage being a term to describe the unity of two people. Then if needed which is not actually needed, we could have sub terms such as gay marriage or lesbian marriage.

Im sure then you would have a problem with calling it "gay marriage" as oposed to just "marriage", hence would still be pointing out a difference.

spudbynight · 5 Mar 2012 at 17:11

RomanNose said:
They can come under the term of marriage, marriage being a term to describe the unity of two people. Then if needed which is not actually needed, we could have sub terms such as gay marriage or lesbian marriage.

Or, marriage and civil partnership?

RomanNose · 5 Mar 2012 at 17:12

Craterloads said:
Im sure then you would have a problem with calling it "gay marriage" as oposed to just "marriage", hence would still be pointing out a difference.

It's better than "civil partnership". The countries that have gay marriage at the moment don't need subterms, I don't see why we do. Civil partnership is a stupid word, people prefer to be "married" than in a partnership. I really don't understand why the term is marriage is exclusive to heterosexual couples.

Jay794 · 5 Mar 2012 at 17:13

spudbynight said:
Do you believe in Jesus Christ?

I believe that there may have existed a person who got nailed to a cross for preaching, Whether he could make fish and bread feed a load of people I find highly unlikely though

Gerard · 5 Mar 2012 at 17:14

spudbynight said:
Anyone seen the pictures of Neil Patrick Harris being shot while fleeing a Brothel?

Didn't realise he was a Rump Ranger

Jay794 · 5 Mar 2012 at 17:16

Gerard said:
Didn't realise he was a Rump Ranger

He has a kid and a boyfriend too

spudbynight · 5 Mar 2012 at 17:16

Jay794 said:
I believe that there may have existed a person who got nailed to a cross for preaching, Whether he could make fish and bread feed a load of people I find highly unlikely though

Hmm...well based on what you have said you don't sound like a Christian then.

Thinking that Jesus might have existed kind of disqualifies you.

Jay794 · 5 Mar 2012 at 17:18

I can see this thread being locked soon, it's gone well off topic now lol

Craterloads · 5 Mar 2012 at 17:18

RomanNose said:
It's better than "civil partnership". The countries that have gay marriage at the moment don't need subterms, I don't see why we do.

Because there is an actual difference that needs and deserves differentiating.

I get it, gay people dont want nor deserve to be put down due to the fact of being labled "different" or being subjected in a negative light due to the label of an "civil partnership" but there is a credible difference between the two which deserves to be highlighted.

If heterosexual couples gave up the term "marriage" and adopted the term "civil partnership" and essentially give homosexual couples exclusive rights to the term "marriage" I’m sure we would still be having this debate...no?. It would be the same thing just in reverse with homosexuals wanting to have the term "civil partnership"

RomanNose · 5 Mar 2012 at 17:19

Craterloads said:
Because there is an actual difference that needs and deserves differentiating.

I get it, gay people dont want nor deserve to be put down due to the fact of being labled "different" or being subjected in a negative light due to the label of an "civil partnership" but there is a credible difference between the two which deserves to be highlighted.

You are still not telling me why we can't use the term gay marriage and lesbian marriage. You have also not told me why we actually need to highlight the difference in the first place. Where needed we this detail we could just have straight marriage, gay marriage and lesbian marriage.

shoes · 5 Mar 2012 at 17:24

spudbynight said:
Well, the majority of people in the world have a faith. I guess that puts you in the minority.

The majority isn't necessarily right. Thirteen years before the current government we had a Labour government. The majority were very, very wrong. This time round the majority woke up a little but not enough to prevent the Lib Dems having a go - the majority are wrong.

Just because the majority of people believe blindly in something does not make it right.

Craterloads · 5 Mar 2012 at 17:24

RomanNose said:
You are still not telling me why we can't use the term gay marriage and lesbian marriage. You have also not told me why we actually need to highlight the difference in the first place. Where needed we this detail we could just have straight marriage, gay marriage and lesbian marriage.

If heterosexual couples gave up the term "marriage" and adopted the term "civil partnership" and essentially give homosexual couples exclusive rights to the term "marriage" I’m sure we would still be having this debate...no?. It would be the same thing just in reverse with homosexuals wanting to have the term "civil partnership"

The point being homosexuals dont want to be seen as different to regular couples, when infact there is a difference.

Craterloads · 5 Mar 2012 at 17:28

shoes said:
The majority isn't necessarily right. Thirteen years before the current government we had a Labour government. The majority were very, very wrong. This time round the majority woke up a little but not enough to prevent the Lib Dems having a go - the majority are wrong.

Just because the majority of people believe blindly in something does not make it right.

Democracy? So whats the point in even having elections? may as well just turn to a dictatorship then...

spudbynight · 5 Mar 2012 at 17:28

shoes said:
The majority isn't necessarily right. Thirteen years before the current government we had a Labour government. The majority were very, very wrong. This time round the majority woke up a little but not enough to prevent the Lib Dems having a go - the majority are wrong.

Just because the majority of people believe blindly in something does not make it right.

That wasn't the point I was making. My point was that the majority of people don't think religion is wrong as the post I was replying to had implied.

steve-h · 5 Mar 2012 at 17:28

Craterloads said:
The point being homosexuals dont want to be seen as difference to regular couples, when infact there is a difference.

They want to get married, as it's traditional. Call it marriage instead of a civil partnership and don't force churches to offer the service.

Problem solved. Next.

Craterloads · 5 Mar 2012 at 17:30

steve-h said:
They want to get married, as it's traditional. Call it marriage instead of a civil partnership and don't force churches to offer the service.

Problem solved. Next.

If heterosexual couples gave up the term "marriage" and adopted the term "civil partnership" and essentially give homosexual couples exclusive rights to the term "marriage" I’m sure we would still be having this debate...no?. It would be the same thing just in reverse with homosexuals wanting to have the term "civil partnership"

Problem started again...

RomanNose · 5 Mar 2012 at 17:31

Yes because homosexuals would want to share the same terms as heterosexual couples. No one wants to be the green flower in the red field. It's as simple as that, people don't like differences to be highlighted when it is not needed.

Jay794 · 5 Mar 2012 at 17:32

RomanNose said:
we could just have straight marriage, gay marriage and lesbian marriage.

Lesbians are gay, so really you could have marriage, and gay marriage, personally, I don't know why gay people are so bothered about the label anyway, why does it matter if its a civil partnership or a marriage, just live and love

RomanNose · 5 Mar 2012 at 17:32

Jay794 said:
Lesbians are gay

Yes but there isn't really a commonly used term to describe male and male couples.