Soldato
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Perks of the job eh?
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Perks of the job eh?
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I am all in favour of legislative changes aimed at stopping theft
You are in the wrong thread then as this isn't a legislative change aimed at stopping theft.
Not really. Using Torrents for illegal activity is the same as any minor crime. Only idiots would speed, many do. Only idiots would smoke cannabis, many do. The fact that the chance of getting caught and subsequently convicted and punished are so low that to waste money on attempting not to get caught is rather daft.
As for private trackers, I'd use them if anyone ever invited me. But surely the larger ones have more people and thus faster for popular stuff?
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I love how people on this site think they are superior because they pay to pirate, I tried newsgroups and they are a pain in the arse,
A decent private torrent community will get you any files found on newsgroups just as quick and just as anonymously
I'm sorry, but how has everyone skipped over the most important part of all this - if you are accused of internet infringement, you can be disconnected from the internet. Note accused, not convicted.
Big media, who have a known history of sending out bogus claims of infringement, can now get your internet cut off, leaving it up to you to appeal what they CLAIM you did wrong? I've been flabbergasted about this since the second I first heard about it. Why do people think "I don't download, this doesn't impact me" when this is patently irrelevant? If you are on the internet, there is a chance of being falsely ACCUSED and being kicked off as a result. How is this acceptable to anyone?
Big media, who have a known history of sending out bogus claims of infringement, can now get your internet cut off, leaving it up to you to appeal what they CLAIM you did wrong? I've been flabbergasted about this since the second I first heard about it. Why do people think "I don't download, this doesn't impact me" when this is patently irrelevant? If you are on the internet, there is a chance of being falsely ACCUSED and being kicked off as a result. How is this acceptable to anyone?
I also guarantee that if that happened, the ECHR would overturn it.
I don't pay to pirate stuff........
Yes in light of all these changes, it will be the 'simpleton' out there that sticks with Torrents (as newsgroups are far to 'complex', he/she will then receive a letter(s), ignore it, and then cut off. Then they will probably try to sell their story to the press about how they are innocent and the big mean evil company cut them off.
all of the above whilst the tech savy will move onto other ways to obtain their material and pay for the access via newsgroups.
True, but that surely can't make it even remotely acceptable to you that this exists in the first place?
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I'm sorry but, **** you.
Don't be sorry about that. What a ***** (Him, not you)
In terms of downloading illegal stuff, then torrents are the obvious choice. They are free, and the chance of being punished is so slim it's barely worth even considering.
Why pay for illegal material when it is just as easy to get it for free and in the real world you're not going to be punished.
What's with all this blaming it on business models of the media & entertainment industry as justification that its your god given right to download copyright protected material?
Anybody is allowed to fight against piracy if their work is being distributed illegally. People here seem to justify it all as only being super rich organisations, so it doesn't matter, however there are plenty of smaller businesses and individuals who suffer at the hands of piracy to.
Anybody is allowed to fight against piracy if their work is being distributed illegally. People here seem to justify it all as only being super rich organisations, so it doesn't matter, however there are plenty of smaller businesses and individuals who suffer at the hands of piracy to.
I haven't actually read the bill, so I'm not in a position to say.
I am not saying that priacy is correct or a right of any kind rather that the media and entertainment industry would be better served by using their money to provide and online service that provides a viable alternative to the numerous illegal download sites out there. Instead they are making the lawyers richer and burying their heads in the sand.
But like I said, what about the smaller people?
For example, the small team that develops some kind of program or app, only for it to be shared on P2P sites. Put yourself in their shoes.
Not the best example tbh as any decent app developer would ensure that his licensing model would ensure that sharing the app on p2p would be pointless.
Not impossible to do I know several small app developers who do this sucesfully.
There will always be some level of priacy however the mainstream problem is music / movies / games and that is what these legal moves are designed to benefit , do you think the media companies give a toss about small developers?
No need to be so pedantic, you know full well there are people out there who crack programmes and release them as torrents. It just comes across as another justification that piracy is ok.
For every story of a small artist or developer who is complaining about copyright infringement, there are 10 story's of small people using it to their advantage, and actually making more money as an end result. The perspective of "Someone has a copy, I should have some money" whilst morally just, is immature. The reality is that there are pirates, the will get your work and complaining about it and trying to legislate against it does nothing to abate them, but ****es off genuine users and alienates fans. Its not about whats right or wrong, its about dealing with the reality that they find themselves in, and time and again the best solution has been show to be innovation.
If small (or big) artists etc want to complain and demand legislation, then that is of course their right. But they will get absolutely no sympathy from me if they choose to ignore the overwhelming evidence that the approach they are taking doesn't work.
I fail to see how stopping pirates effects the genuine fans and users who have paid for it?
