BT & Talk Talk lose Appeal
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Not being pedantic at all just saying it wasnt the best example.
All software and technology is open to cracking whether thats software or hardware thats something that wont change. The battle between the designer / programmers and the crackers will rage on forever.
As I have already stated I am not advocating or justifying piracy in any way but as someone who has spent a small fortune over the years on music / media none of the online services offer what the majority of people want hence people looking for other option i.e higher quality or lack of DRM.
This is the direction the media industry should be heading in rather than trying to legislate their way out of this situation.
I fail to see how stopping pirates effects the genuine fans and users who have paid for it?
People getting accused of being pirates when they are not.
And also DRM, but that's another topic...
You personally might not be a fan of online offerings being as good as you would like, but the majority just want something for free because it's there for the taking. The way we consume may have changed from the past, but piracy is the biggest it's ever been. When I was a kid the only piracy I saw was when your borrowed a tape off a friend and made a copy of it, or somebody might have bought some bootleg VHS' back off holiday.
Why shouldn't they try and remove a major source of piracy, regardless of what you think of business models? If copyrighted material is being shared illegally, you are fully entitled to go after those doing it.
Why shouldn't they try and remove a major source of piracy, regardless of what you think of business models? If copyrighted material is being shared illegally, you are fully entitled to go after those doing it.
Then you're doing it wrong.
By 'major source' you mean the potential users with no trial?
Doesn't seem very fair to me.
Simple fact is that the business model is out of date.
I dont do any illegal downloading myself and pay for any game or movie that I play or watch. But if someone like giganwws can offer a service to allow you download "material" there is nothing stopping a company the size of sony doing the same.
Again it all comes down to jobs and money, as doing that would put a lot of people out of work as the likes of HMV etc would be selling less and then you have the people who print and make the dvd's and the distributors who move the product around.
The question is are they limiting it to just BT and Talk Talk, or will they be applying it to all other ISPs as well?
Yes piracy is rife, and some things are just easy to get. The sad thing is that those alternatives (itunes for example) are very overpriced for a lot of items. If they made the prices more realistic (there is no packing to make etc) then many people would use the legitimate sources.
Yes piracy is rife, and some things are just easy to get. The sad thing is that those alternatives (itunes for example) are very overpriced for a lot of items. If they made the prices more realistic (there is no packing to make etc) then many people would use the legitimate sources.
The problem with these threads on OCUK, as already evidenced by some comments in this thread (despite being against the rules) is that there are plenty of people who are getting pirated material all the time, even paying for sites that allow access to it.
I just wish people who come clean and say "I download pirated material, I don't like this potential new bill because it means it stops me from doing so".
Rather than the constant excuses and false justification as to why illegal file sharing is justified.
It applies to other ISPs too.
The fact that people are paying to pirate material shows that it's a service issue. People are willing to pay, but the current services offered by the idustry are often inferior to the services offered by pirate sites.
Of course people also pirate because it's free, but it's not solely and issue about paying for the product, it's the service too.
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This is the constant poor argument from people who pirate (I'm not suggesting you are).
Just because you don't like the price, doesn't mean you can therefore have it for free.
I could say that I've always wanted a Ferrari... I don't agree with the price for it though, so it's ok if I go and steal one right?
There is the point people will pay if you provide what they want the legal services out there simply don't.
I have a large CD collection so dont bother with torrents but after looking at some of the services on offer online I can see that the choice out there is pretty restrictive and not cheap either.
I'm not saying that stuff should be given away for free. But how can a game/music/movie being downloaded digitally, using the bandwith you are paying for from your ISP and the bandwith of the hosting company (covered by the cost) be equal to (or sometimes more than) the price of going to a shop and buying a disk with all the packaging etc?
Yes it is the old argument, but it's a legitimate question.
I fail to see how stopping pirates effects the genuine fans and users who have paid for it?
Disk protection which prevents legitimate paying customers from running the software in question, installs malware and in some cases has even been suspected of damaging hardware (Starforce)
Requirement for "always on" internet connection for offline play, preventing legitimate paying customers from playing if there is a problem with the publisher's servers (Assassin's Creed 2 and various other Ubisoft titles)
CD keys which have been used by people working in game shops, which the legitimate paying customer tries to activate and is unable to.
You've just stated people are willing to pay for it - do you not think these people would be perfectly happy to pay for a legitimate copy of the material if it was available?
Your analogy is completely irrelevant, as theft and piracy are two completely different crimes
Music - Instore prices for CDs have had to drop significantly to counter the fact that people are buying their music through the likes of iTunes these days. They can no longer compete with online services, so have to sell them at the same level as download. If you do go and buy the CD copy, you get the packaging and can rip it to your computer at whatever quality level you like.
Films - Similar situation to music, but they are actually just a little cheaper online than buying a physical copy.
Games - This is a different one because the only real service is Steam, plus the Xbox live and Playstation marketplaces. The prices are agreed with the Publishers and that's the way it is if you want to use that kind of service.
Not true, for many linux distros and VM's, large files, torrents are good, I seed legitimate torrents all the time.