Why do people smoke?

Not because I dislike smoking or smokers, but because I'm sick of being dragged into the vicious circle of vacuous tax hikes and general arseholery of big government.

You're making the assumption I want to continue smoking and that quitting will in some way have a negative impact on my life or happiness. :confused:

So no, you lose.

You said it yourself, you quit because you were sick of the taxes applied to cigerettes. The Government wants people to stop smoking and to do this they put high tax on said products to discourage people from buying and smoking them. Therefore, they won.
 
This is where I (and probably a large number of others will disagree). There's a difference between the government protecting its citizens through the army, police, medical services, etc, and completely invading citizens' personal space and lives just to normalise the entire populace.

God forbid you should ask someone not to smoke around you. You want the government to make more and more laws to tell people what they can and can't do? The government isn't even well informed - the fact that cannabis is still illegal is evidence of this

See, you are capable of providing some discussion! Wasn't that hard now was it?

Anyway, I'd argue that the government is duty bound to educate the populace about the risks of freely available products. I am aghast at the amount of H&S legislation that we have in this country, and I feel that the government infringes on many personal freedoms far too much. However, I think that they still have a duty in providing correct information about the risks of something like cigarettes - particularly to the young.
I don't think they are doing it for any other reason than it's morally right.

No, I don't want the government to make more laws - far from it, I'm all for a smaller government. However, I just think that people should try and subject others to as little of their unpleasant habit as possible. I don't think it's a bad request and is something that could be done through a change in attitude.

It's just polite, and an easy thing for smokers to do. Why should non smokers have to suffer a cloud (which it often is) of smoke when they enter their place of work/entertainment?

I know from past experience you're a smart chap, so I figure you'd have guessed that I'm not exactly a pro-NHS kind of guy (another debate for another time). But the simple answer is refusal of NHS care for smokers/heavy drinkers/etc. I don't want the government to feel a duty of care toward me or anybody else who lives my kind of hazardous lifestyle because it doesn't cost the government a penny, it costs me personally.

I suspect that the reality is that for the 21% of the population that do smoke, the revenues generated by smoking taxes are surplus. I mean, have you seen the list of stuff that actually causes cancers of various types? I have a chart at work that I put up for a joke from the BBC with a list of everything that causes cancer. MENOPAUSE IS ON THERE FFS. Who is responsible for saying "this cancer was caused by smoking" and "this one wasn't"?

Thanks for the compliment, I like to think so!

Some interesting points there. I disagree with your view about refusual of treatment (for what it matters, I'm awfully pro NHS (but feel that there should be a private option in almost all areas)). I think that whilst we have the NHS it should be universal for all those living in Britain. There are so many knock on illnesses that smoking can lead to, or make worse that it would be almost impossible to decide that smoking has caused x and therefore the NHS wouldn't treat it.
It's a nice idea in theory I suppose but in practice it would be impossible to implement in a fair and uniform fashion - not to mention I don't imagine many medical staff would be happy with flatly refusing to treat someone.

I'm not in a position to go and find figures at the minute, but I think that you're wrong about your point that cigarette taxes provide a surplus.

Here's a fun little site about what causes cancer - http://kill-or-cure.heroku.com/

Ahleckz your sig really makes you look like a girl :o

Every time I see it I have to keep checking your username as I assume its a girl who is posting..

There aren't many of us with a almost all pink sig (Skully is another, but I'm not sure of any others). If anything, my almost unique use of pink should make it easy to remember I'm a bloke. A bloke that likes pink, nonetheless. :D IT'S NEVER GETTING CHANGED.
 
I smoke around 40 a day and started what I was 13 (I'm 47 now). I don't have any reason as to why individuals should smoke but sometimes circumstances can warrant the need for something possibly...

For me it was a means to an end whereby my parents had just the one thing to have a go at me about. It stopped them having a go at me about pretty much anything and everything else and I found this much more manageable, like I knew it would be. That was the start of it, but I soon found that it calmed me down from time to time and soon after that I started enjoyed it and have done ever since.

Health implications? Not very much for me in all likelihood - strong hearts and lungs run in the family. Should something pop up however it wouldn't bother me one way or the other if I'm honest.

The money side of it is pocket money quite frankly when compared to say running a car. Regardless, should there ever be hard times ahead smoking will not be a pleasure I'd stop.
 
I'm wondering if the OP saw my post in another thread at 7:54 this morning -

Yesterday left an impression on me.
My Step mum rang me up and I could hardly hear her because she was coughing & spluttering all through the conversation while obviously smoking.
I then rushed to see my Dad (age 76) in CCU where he was taken in and they told him his smoking was the main cause.
I walked out of Cardiology facing the Cancer Centre where I could see at least 6 patients tied to stands with intravenous drips while smoking.
I then walked around the corner to the Maternity Centre where there were about 4 new Mummy's who were ready to drop smoking.
What's up with people :(
 
I smoke as few or as many as I like, sometimes I'll go weeks without a ciggie sometimes minutes, I like it, it chills me out. I'm always mindful of other people and certainly don't force my habit on anyone near me, I'm fully aware it's unhealthy , makes me smell rank and is expensive but I enjoy the majority of the cigarettes I smoke so I shall carry on until such a time as I dont or it kills me - very similar to my relationship with booze :)

I'm very doubtful I'll ever be an ex-smoker though, on that topic my eyes are wide open and I perfectly capable of walking away should I choose to, infact the longest gap between ciggies was well over two years.
 
It's definitely getting more and more popular not to smoke - Ever since the smoking ban, the amount of smokers has decreased I imagine...
 
I smoked because I enjoyed it.

Like many things, smoking is somewhat of an acquired taste - it takes a little work.
In the beginning I enjoyed the slight headrush and the nicotine well-being.
After that, there was a certain routine, parts of the day where a smoke just seemed to be a pleasing addendum to the time. Example - whilst enjoying a beer, or perhaps after a meal, or even sitting around the camp fire in the evening after a days hike.

I liked the taste (only specific brands of rolling tobacco, not that crap they put in normal fags) and the feeling of inhaling a deep lungful of smoke, puffing away for a bit, then letting my roll-up go out. Relighting it some time later etc etc.
Packets of cigarettes, once you've lit 'em, they burn very fast (so you smoke/buy more), rolling tobacco doesn't suffer from that, plus you get to make your own as you please.

I smoked 'other things' for a good many years too, for much the same reason I enjoy a nice brandy.

Gave up smoking a couple of years back, not sure exactly how long. I never really counted the months. I have the occasional smoke still. But that's perhaps one cigarette in six months. So far this year I've had one roll-up lol.
I still have tobacco in the house - in fact, there's a packet of drum on my computer table as I write this, but I don't feel any OMG! I GOTTA SMOKE IT! craving thing. It's there if I want it. But most of the time I just don't - it's not easy to explain.

In the end, I think smoking is as much about learned behaviour and association, as it is about any nicotine dependency.

Why did I stop? Mainly a change of circumstances. That and the fact that my last serious cold/flu thing went to my chest quite badly and I decided regular smoking was not going to improve that in future.

Do I still like tobacco? Sure I do, probably always will, too. But not everything we like is good for us. :(

As for arguments about taxation and legislation, they're far too convoluted and loaded with vested interests to make any real sense, so people ought to make decisions for themselves and not expect, or have to suffer government nannying.
 
well 'smirting' still works really well, although I'm not advocating taking up smoking just to meet chicks/blokes

I never even knew that there was a term for it. I often find myself in the smoking bit of clubs, rarely smoking but just chatting to folk. It's good fun and you pretty much always end up getting a kiss. Carrying a lighter is a great way in!
 
You said it yourself, you quit because you were sick of the taxes applied to cigerettes. The Government wants people to stop smoking and to do this they put high tax on said products to discourage people from buying and smoking them. Therefore, they won.

I am sick of the tax. If I also cash in my chips at the casino before closing time, does that mean that the casino wins? In both, I keep the money and get out of the circle jerk before it gets messy. Your insinuation that I "lose" suggests that I am losing something, which I am patently not. I have the financial means to smoke 60 a day, if I so choose. I just don't see the point in urinating money against the wall (ironically, something the government is highly adept at) for an activity I'm really not that fussed about and that will only become more costly each year.

Thanks for the compliment, I like to think so!

Some interesting points there. I disagree with your view about refusual of treatment (for what it matters, I'm awfully pro NHS (but feel that there should be a private option in almost all areas)). I think that whilst we have the NHS it should be universal for all those living in Britain. There are so many knock on illnesses that smoking can lead to, or make worse that it would be almost impossible to decide that smoking has caused x and therefore the NHS wouldn't treat it.
It's a nice idea in theory I suppose but in practice it would be impossible to implement in a fair and uniform fashion - not to mention I don't imagine many medical staff would be happy with flatly refusing to treat someone.

I'm not in a position to go and find figures at the minute, but I think that you're wrong about your point that cigarette taxes provide a surplus.

Here's a fun little site about what causes cancer - http://kill-or-cure.heroku.com/

All fair points, I'll concede that. However, for me to respond I'd make this ideological and I don't want to sour the mood. :p
 
I never even knew that there was a term for it. I often find myself in the smoking bit of clubs, rarely smoking but just chatting to folk. It's good fun and you pretty much always end up getting a kiss. Carrying a lighter is a great way in!

hehe I know it works great! and I believe the term made it into collins' dictionary, could be wrong though :)
 
Slightly off subject. Should sportsmen/women be refused treatment when they get injured? If they wasn't playing sport, then the injury wouldn't have happened.
 
Slightly off subject. Should sportsmen/women be refused treatment when they get injured? If they wasn't playing sport, then the injury wouldn't have happened.

I'll jump forward two posts for you, smoking isn't the only cause for disease it can certainly contribute but plenty of non smokers contract; say lung cancer. So in answer to your fishing, no
 
I enjoy a nice cigar every once in a while, because I enjoy the taste and it's a great way to relax and socialise over some drinks.
 
I used to smoke and I still like to occasionally. Every once in a while I'll buy a pack or if I'm out drinking with my mates I'll blag a cig off someone. I really enjoy a cig if I've been on the beer.

I could never go back to smoking every day though, noticed such a difference to my health and my wallet after I quit.
 
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You don't care if you're cutting your life short by a considerable number of years? :eek:

Potentially cutting your life short.

People do all manner of dangerous things, they do them because it provides them with pleasure. I'd much rather have a short life that is full of pleasure than a long, boring life that I abstain from things that I know that I'll enjoy.
 
Tried smoking, didn't think it was nasty certainly didn't make me cough or heave or anything like that.

Just felt completely indifferent and left me wondering what the attraction was.

Perhaps I wasn't doing it right.
 
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