NEW SATA-150 HDD FOR PS3. Massive bottleneck!

TBH your conclusion seems quite simplistically made, but if you think its correct, test it out by replacing the HDD (borrow one?). No doubt as you seem to play HDD games 120Gb will be gobbled up anyway...

At this point is probably best to see if others with those two games can add to the discussion and illustrate what PS3 HDD they have. From there its either call Sony or post on their boards but Im not sure exactly what theyll do for you as I cant see how easy it will be to pinpoint the actual hardware issue. The thing is I dont own those games so unless theres a substantial HDD install, Im not sure how directly related it could be to your HDD and PS3 Skyrims quite shoddy as youve already mentioned. Perhaps maybe contact the pubishers of those games or check their forums too (assume youve done all this TBH)

At any point I just dont see where Sony are fully to blame until youve tried to contact them after youve exhausted everything else (Id wipe your PS3 in the first instance and see if that helps - make a backup first obviously but try those games before you restore it as a check)

Also as a footnote you do yourself no favours callling the forum posters who you are seeking help from arrogant, this would have gone down a lot smoother if you had giving us all the details in the first post without the emotion...

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TBH your conclusion seems quite simplistically made, but if you think its correct, test it out by replacing the HDD (borrow one?). No doubt as you seem to play HDD games 120Gb will be gobbled up anyway...

At this point is probably best to see if others with those two games can add to the discussion and illustrate what PS3 HDD they have. From there its either call Sony or post on their boards but Im not sure exactly what theyll do for you as I cant see how easy it will be to pinpoint the actual hardware issue. The thing is I dont own those games so unless theres a substantial HDD install, Im not sure how directly related it could be to your HDD and PS3 Skyrims quite shoddy as youve already mentioned. Perhaps maybe contact the pubishers of those games or check their forums too (assume youve done all this TBH)

At any point I just dont see where Sony are fully to blame until youve tried to contact them after youve exhausted everything else (Id wipe your PS3 in the first instance and see if that helps - make a backup first obviously but try those games before you restore it as a check)

Also as a footnote you do yourself no favours callling the forum posters who you are seeking help from arrogant, this would have gone down a lot smoother if you had giving us all the details in the first post without the emotion...

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I put the word angry, that was a mistake, since I'm not actually angry in the slightest, more disappointed than anything. An no, it's not entirely Sony's fault, just a bit frustrated that BF3, a game I thoroughly enjoy, runs like a one legged dog with a wheel for a foot while most others experience great FPS.

I think I might just order a Western Digital Scorpio Blue 320GB, 5400rpm, 8MB buffer, for £50. For the sake of it. :S lol
 
If its an established issue Im sure a lot of people here would have piped up about it, especially as the ownership of a 120Gb Slim isnt rare nor is playing BF3, I dont disagree your having issues, and others are too, but its seems it could be put down to a number of things and the best people to help you isolate that would appear to be Sony...

Honestly Id do the same thing as you, but mainly because I wanted the increased space. Ive got the same drive, though mines a few years old now, it does have a different mechanical sound than the default drive which may make it seems more audible, not by much, but thats worth knowing (YMMV though)...

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Must be a duff drive then. It's the only thing I can think of. Even though I barely use my 120GB stock HDD, now I can cram it full of stuff. Funny because I spotted the 320GB WDSB as cheaper than the 250GB. Really I wanted anything between 120-250 because of price, but if I can get more space for less, I certainly don't mind.
 
Have you tried restoring the PS3 to factory settings and wiped the HDD in the PS3 to test if that improves anything? I think if youve tried that then as a consumer youve done as much as you can humanely possibly before you get Sony involved...

They may even turn around and advise its not the HDD - if its in warranty what do you have to lose?

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I read somewhere that SSD drives can actually hinder performance if you put them in a PS3.
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Eurogamer have done a couple of comparisons on this - SSD doesn't hurt performance but the improvements vary from game to game. Inevitably it all boils down to whether the game relies heavily on the disc or the HDD/SSD, but an SSD can give some rather noticeable improvements.
 
I wouldnt touch a SSD without TRIM being available on a PS3 - just seems more hassle than its worth if you had to manually manage its longevity...

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Right so to try and help. Is it just BF3 you have an issue with? Is it to do with the framerate thats the issue and is it during split screen, online or in single player you have the issue.

Assuming your annoyed at only BF3 and assuming your online then this is most likely the issue.

BF3 is locked at 30fps on consoles. DICE did this so they can have all the wizz bang effects the Frostbite 2 engine delivers. The HDD makes no difference to the performance of the game once the game has loaded it only effects how fast maps etc load. Once loaded the hdd does extremely little during console play in a level. So the issue you have is therefore not effected by the HDD it is in fact the game you have an issue with. Maybe your just sensitive to FPS like some people do experience. If you play COD all the time then you may see a difference as COD runs at 60fps on consoles and so may give the image of a smoother game compared to BF3. You may also be experiencing lag which can cause stutter and FPS drops in games.

It is not the HDD thats at fault but more your perception of what you are expecting from the game. This isnt anyones fault and not a criticism of you. I noticed that BF3 seemed more sluggish compared to COD or other games like Killzone BUT thats because of what I am used to not the platform thats not performing.

If you think about it we all have pretty much the same consoles and therefore the same performance. The only other thing it could be is a faulty GPU or CPU in your system to which you could try a replacement but it is in no way the HDD thats the issue. This is the real explanation of your experience
 
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Right so to try and help. Is it just BF3 you have an issue with? Is it to do with the framerate thats the issue and is it during split screen, online or in single player you have the issue.

Assuming your annoyed at only BF3 and assuming your online then this is most likely the issue.

BF3 is locked at 30fps on consoles. DICE did this so they can have all the wizz bang effects the Frostbite 2 engine delivers. The HDD makes no difference to the performance of the game once the game has loaded it only effects how fast maps etc load. Once loaded the hdd does extremely little during console play in a level. So the issue you have is therefore not effected by the HDD it is in fact the game you have an issue with. Maybe your just sensitive to FPS like some people do experience. If you play COD all the time then you may see a difference as COD runs at 60fps on consoles and so may give the image of a smoother game compared to BF3. You may also be experiencing lag which can cause stutter and FPS drops in games.

It is not the HDD thats at fault but more your perception of what you are expecting from the game. This isnt anyones fault and not a criticism of you. I noticed that BF3 seemed more sluggish compared to COD or other games like Killzone BUT thats because of what I am used to not the platform thats not performing.

If you think about it we all have pretty much the same consoles and therefore the same performance. The only other thing it could be is a faulty GPU or CPU in your system to which you could try a replacement but it is in no way the HDD thats the issue. This is the real explanation of your experience
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I know BF3 is locked at 30fps an I'm fine with that, but it most definitely doesn't stay stable. I figured the HDD was more of a requirement due to the game being well graphically designed on a console so old. Although it was developed primarily on the PS3, so I'm not sure why I thought that.

I have used the PS3 Restore option, done the mandatory install for BF3 game data and patched it, but it still makes little difference. I think I'll turn it on now and have a few games on there. See how it is. I adapt well to differing frame rates since I've played games on naff PCs, good PCs and consoles, so I find it doesn't take much getting used to. 30fps is great, when stable, but when the poop hits the fan my PS3 seems to hate it.
 
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Have you tried SP BF3 vs MP BF3? Hopefully that would isolate lag causing slowdowns...

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Not played MP in a while, but I'll check soon. I'm going to disable DHCP tomorrow and put static IPs on all the PCs in this house. QoS is on with my entire net speed put in. UPnP is on. I'll port forward manually as well and try that.

Actually... can I keep DHCP on and just use address reservation or will that cause conflicts?
 
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Depends on your router and if it gives you a range regards the DHCP window - should be standard setup tbh as Ive got it setup the same with the all the ethernet devices on static IP but everything else using DHCP...

Ever thought of DMZing your PS3? Never really investigated UPnP, was always worried about the potential security risks back in the day...

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Depends on your router and if it gives you a range regards the DHCP window - should be standard setup tbh as Ive got it setup the same with the all the ethernet devices on static IP but everything else using DHCP...

Ever thought of DMZing your PS3? Never really investigated UPnP, was always worried about the potential security risks back in the day...

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UPnP worked wonders for me in the past for gaming. New router though, but not bad at all. Better than the NAFF Virgin Media stuff they give you. It's a TP-Link WR1043ND router. I turned 20/40Mhz off and stuck with 20Mhz, picked Channel 6 (checked on InSSIDer), etc. I don't fancy DMZing, it's evil.

I've reserved the 2 IPs. One for my laptop one for the PS3. Left DHCP for other folks. Will put the ports for BF3 into the port forwarding section, though I'm not 100% sure how to do it, tis not like my old router. Looks like I'll have to break it up into a few separate rules.
 
DMZings saves you worrying about ports though, whos gonna hack into a visible PS3, its not even got linux on it anymore :p. Im still rocking a WRT54GS...

Good luck...

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Bah, just doing it like this for the sake of it lol. I forwarded each port individually, didn't take long. UPnP on though it says unavailable in PS3. Apparently the PS3 can report this incorrectly even if it does work, which may well be the case since I've had no issues when without port forwarding before so something must have worked. QoS on, Static IP to PS3 and Laptop, DHCP for the others. BF3 ports are forwarded now anyway. Going to test.
 
Still a big low on FPS, but I haven't got to test it much. I'll play some more tomorrow when I can bothered. ^^
 
@Battlefield Repeat, I repeat AGAIN. Would a HDD upgrade benefit BF3 on my PS3?

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@UKFX Again, that would most definitely benefit gameplay. Hope that helps! ^JT

Interesting no? Or ********?

"that would most definitely benefit gameplay".

Couldn't get him to answer the question about how much BF3 uses the HDD, but I've seen no difference in my FPS after endlessly messing with my router settings. I also questioned them about Internet connection speeds. When I refused to give the EA game advisor my connection speed, because of fear of him changing his answer to reflect my speed, he claimed that 3-5mbps upload was necessary for BF3 on PS3. Highly dubious.

When I told @Battlefield, they claimed reports of 1Mbps upload was enough - probably after seeing my post on Twitter about my connection. I'd agree with that statement because the FPS reflected naturally gets worse dependant on the environment. Regardless of what the stupid EA game advisor said. It seems to me that EA/DICE are being either very secretive about all of this, or they don't actually know themselves of an adequate number. I don't see how the PC version of BF3 can require a 1Mbps upload, yet the PS3 with 24 players on local servers (good ping), requires 3-5. The moment I saw that number I knew it was immediately false.

If it's not my connection. Not my router. Not my PS3 and not my HDD oh, an not my expectations. What is it? I'm not seeing things or making things up, at times it is bloody awful.

? This is insane.
 
Leave your console alone ukfx and do something else for a while... jesus I thought these phantom fps problem threads were solely confined to the PC forums...
 
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