God & Science Proved!

I want castiel to answer this question, though he didn't even play my fill in the blank on the previous page.

1) A person can believe in both creationism and evolution.

2) A person can believe in neither creationism or evoltion.

Which of the following is correct:

Both 1 and 2 are right.
Both 1 and 2 are wrong.
Only 1 is right.
Only 2 is right.
 
I don't get why these threads are allowed to continue in GD. Every single time it degenerates into a few people trying to score points over each other. Can't we all just get along<3 ?!

Will nobody think of the children?
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bhavv said:
You havnt even yet accepted your earlier error.

Please tell me then, what do atheists and / or scientists who don't believe in either evolution or creationism believe in?
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What error....I made none, only pointed put your sweeping statement about Theist's was not entirely representative and you went into meltdown....




To answer your question, to begin with Evolution is not a belief, it is scientific theory.....however there are a few alternatives, one being Lysenkoism (a form of Lamarckism, which in itself is another) which the largely Atheist State of Stalinist Russia tried to promote.....

I have already mentioned Raelism......

Van Hellseek has already touched on this.
 
Van Hellseek said:
You were very obviously implying that a person has to be a creationist or believe in evolution.

It wasn't an innocent 'query' as you make out, it was an implication.

But sure, go with the "I was only asking" thing, if it makes you happy.
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I was makong no such implication....I was refering to Theists only.......

Show me the post where I made the implication?
 
Very well done Castiel! That is correct and also something that I never said. You also finally found the correct definition of Creationism using your google fu to look it up on wikipedia well done, have a shiny star or a merit or something that will make you happy for your effort.

Now whenever you get back, please complete this test of fill in the blank:

People who believe that life, the earth and universe were created by a supernatural being are called ________.

If thats too hard for you, here are a selection of words for you to pick from to also make it a multiple choice:

Creationists, goats, fairies, lamposts, Justin Bieber.
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Here's the first question again, please answer it.
 
Van Hellseek said:
A philosophical belief which does not necissarily invlove creationism OR evolution :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solipsism

But a solipsist could still potentially believe in a god of some kind, thus remain a theist.
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As you seem to think I was making some implications that I was not, I think it is pertinent to show you a post I made earlier due to your reference above;


Castiel said:
As I said.....(as far as we can be)...

You could equally argue that objectively you cannot prove anything exists beyond your own mind.....

It dependes entirely on how far you want to take the concept of scepticism.
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Now if I was implying what you thought, why would I refer to Solipsism earlier?


bhavv said:
Wow, finally I get to learn something new on this thread though you spoiled it by not letting our expert on religion, atheism and philosophy answer it.
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You mean you did not recognise the reference earlier.......
 
bhavv said:
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Here's the first question again, please answer it.
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What question...all I see is some childish nonsence. I find it highly amusing that instead of simply accepting that the question was answered originally, and clarified later and that you have ignored any attempt at sensible discussion, instead resorting to insult and infantility....

You continued posts say far more about you than they do me Bhavv.
 
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Castiel said:
What question...all I see is some childish nonsence.
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I was trying to ask the question at an appropriate intellectual level that you could understand, it seems like you can't, no problem, I'll just have to take away the star I awarded you with earlier.
 
Castiel said:
You mean you did not recognise the reference earlier.......
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Is this even a serious question? If I didn't know what something was at all before, how would I have recognised what it is called from your refference?

I think you need to get some sleep or something, today isn't a good day for you.

If I give you a definition for something you've never heard of before, you can tell me what word the definition is of without looking it up? Wow, you are a psychic savant after all!
 
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bhavv said:
Is this even a serious question? If I didn't know what something was at all before, how would I have recognised what it is called from your refference?

I think you need to get some sleep or something, today isn't a good day for you.
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No what it means is that on more than one occassion I have talked about Solipsism and yoir responce was...'Philosophical Claptrap' or words to that effect.....which again illustrates your seeming personal animosity more than anything else....
 
Castiel said:
No what it means is that on more than one occassion I have talked about Solipsism and yoir responce was...'Philosophical Claptrap' or words to that effect.....which again illustrates your seeming personal animosity more than anything else....
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Really? Please find where that happened and post a link :D (in regards to that silly-poly-whatever).

Could you also please answer my questions, or are they too hard for you?

P.S, Budhism, Jainism and that solipolism thing are all philosophies which I respect and like very much, but I still don't believe in any of them so they are all hogwash to me.

I think I could also enjoy and respect Taoism and Confucianism, but I don't know much about those. Its really only monotheism and polytheism that I strongly hate.
 
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Van Hellseek said:
Indeed... But likewise why would you ask the question I originally reffered to? ;)
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This question?

"What is a Theist who denies Evolution?.....and what do they believe instead of Evolution?"

To which you asked:

Van Hellseek said:
Honestly, I would hope you're intelligent enough to understand that a person can deny theism but not necissarily believe in evolution
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Hopefully you can see that I was (given the context of the discussion at the time) refering to Theist's who deny Evolution specifically....rather than someone who is a non-Theist and denies Evolution.....

Also the question was aimed at someone...it was not rhetorical or making any implications per se.....

Getting away from accusations and issues about intent and concentrationg on what you said about a Solipsist believing in God.....

The thing about a true Solipsist is that they hold that 'Self' alone exists...how does that sit with also having the belief that an external God exists? Monism?



(this is actually quite an interesting concept to discuss)
 
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bhavv said:
Really? Please find where that happened and post a link :D (in regards to that silly-poly-whatever).

Could you also please answer my questions
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I have answered them Bhavv.....

bhavv said:
P.S, Budhism, Jainism and that solipolism thing are all philosophies which I respect and like very much, but I still don't believe in any of them so they are all hogwash to me.

I think I could also enjoy and respect Taoism and Confucianism, but I don't know much about those. Its really only monotheism and polytheism that I strongly hate.
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You respect them, but they are still hogwash?
 
The thing about a true Solipsist is that they hold that 'Self' alone exists...how does that sit with also having the belief that an external God exists?
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I myself am the only thing that exists, and I am a God.

Wow, that was too easy, was it meant to be a trick question?
 
Castiel said:
I have answered them Bhavv.....



You respect them, but they are still hogwash?
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I love and respect lord of the rings, but its still a load of hogwash and not real, same as dungeons and dragons, Thomas the tank engine and the powerpuff girls, all amazing things, but all hogwash! Flying fluffy pink unicorns too and magical invisible teapots orbitting mars :D

This is getting fun again, thank you.
 
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