Been offered a job that I went for...

buckeejit said:
I've emailed the agency to say that I accept the job. I know that I may look like a fool for accepting less than advertised but the job I'm in at the min isn't safe and I honestly feel that there are more opportunites in the new place.
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Good luck Bud and hope you are happy in your new job (which I am sure you will be).
 
I did a similar thing, however, not identical, old job paying xyz, new job paying xyz, both identical, however my previous job was cack and the pay was terrible.

In my first interview with my current job I mentioned the salary was lower than I was looking for however I had done research into the company and it looked like a great place to work so would take the hit if, after a certain time my salary would be up for review.

18 months was their mark, it was a big bump up, 3k after being here for less than 2 years... It was a long time but it got my foot in the door. As of the end of this month, that pay rise takes effect.

So yes, you can ask, they are asking for your services, you are doing them a favour, you are getting paid to do a job. If you feel you should be paid more, then say. Worst they will say is no, take the original offer or move on.
 
Greebo said:
They can't. They are paid a commission based on a percentage of the salary. It's better for the agency that the OP gets paid as much as possible.
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Agents pull this kind of thing all the time. It goes something like this:

1. Company asks agency to find someone and they will pay say £50k
2. Agent calls candidates and offers them the role for £40k
3. Agent sets up interview, client company likes the candidate and asks the agent to go ahead
4. Agent goes back to candidate, feeds him/her some rubbish about "oh they liked you but because of xyz reason they can only pay £37,500". This doesn't concern the client company since they only deal with the agent and they've budgeted £50k.

The agent is taking a punt, they have nothing to lose - even if the candidate tells them to go stuff themselves and demand the original amount, they can stall for a few days and feed them more rubbish like "ohh I think they will change their minds if you don't take this offer". Eventually they will cave and take their regular amount of commission without the £2.5k bonus.
 
buckeejit said:
I've emailed the agency to say that I accept the job. I know that I may look like a fool for accepting less than advertised but the job I'm in at the min isn't safe and I honestly feel that there are more opportunites in the new place.
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Since they clearly don't value you, I probably wouldn't consider the new job safe either.
 
gregster said:
I firmly believe that any contract that had the "unless" in it would be contentious.

I do agree that he needs to check his contract.
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Why would you think it were contentious out of curiosity? It surprises me that directgov would state that it would be acceptable if the contract made a provision in these circumstances if that would not stand up.
 
buckeejit said:
I've emailed the agency to say that I accept the job. I know that I may look like a fool for accepting less than advertised but the job I'm in at the min isn't safe and I honestly feel that there are more opportunites in the new place.
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The good news is the agency will want to find you more work in future because you're willing to give him money for free! \o/
 
Pudney said:
Why would you think it were contentious out of curiosity? It surprises me that directgov would state that it would be acceptable if the contract made a provision in these circumstances if that would not stand up.
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I say contentious purely on this one line from the WTR.

However, the Working Time Regulations do not authorise the deduction of “overtaken” holiday entitlement.

That alone makes me feel that any firm that would have any kind of holiday over payment deductions would be "Unlawful".

Maybe I am wrong and this is common practice but after checking my own CoE I can't see anything even close to that mentioned.
 
I know a lot of people wouldn't have accepted the job but I have as I feel my current job isn't safe and we're close to losing a big client.

Anyway, I got an email from the agent before I accepted when I queried the salary:

Hi David

Please find answers below:

With regard to the salary, they have said that they are really looking for an established business travel person who could bring accounts with them – they feel you are not at this level, but that you have great potential which is why they have made you the offer.
 
buckeejit said:
With regard to the salary, they have said that they are really looking for an established business travel person who could bring accounts with them – they feel you are not at this level, but that you have great potential which is why they have made you the offer.
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Did he try to sell you snake oil as well?
 
I have not ready any replies but I wouldn't accept.

I was in a very similar situation myself.

2 job offers, 1 offered what I wanted, the other 2k lower.

The lower offer came in first, I refused it, told the agency why, not enough money, they went away and came back with another offer matching what I originally wanted.

I refused that, if they were willing to pay that, why not offer into the first place!

Anyway, I took the other job.

My point is, don't settle.
 
gambitt said:
Agents pull this kind of thing all the time. It goes something like this:

1. Company asks agency to find someone and they will pay say £50k
2. Agent calls candidates and offers them the role for £40k
3. Agent sets up interview, client company likes the candidate and asks the agent to go ahead
4. Agent goes back to candidate, feeds him/her some rubbish about "oh they liked you but because of xyz reason they can only pay £37,500". This doesn't concern the client company since they only deal with the agent and they've budgeted £50k.

The agent is taking a punt, they have nothing to lose - even if the candidate tells them to go stuff themselves and demand the original amount, they can stall for a few days and feed them more rubbish like "ohh I think they will change their minds if you don't take this offer". Eventually they will cave and take their regular amount of commission without the £2.5k bonus.
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Total BS.

Recruitment agencies will try and get you as much as they can because they get commission based on the salary of the position.
 
It depends how desperate you are. It might be a good idea to take it if your current possition is bad (it'll provide income during your further job search) and it might turn out that you like the job.

You have no obligations to stay there once you start.
 
HarryPainful said:
Total BS.

Recruitment agencies will try and get you as much as they can because they get commission based on the salary of the position.
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+1

Its in their interest to get him the best salary possible. Offering less than the advertised salary is a bit of a cheap shot.

Did the advert state salary starting from xyz ?
 
gambitt said:
Agents pull this kind of thing all the time. It goes something like this:

1. Company asks agency to find someone and they will pay say £50k
2. Agent calls candidates and offers them the role for £40k
3. Agent sets up interview, client company likes the candidate and asks the agent to go ahead
4. Agent goes back to candidate, feeds him/her some rubbish about "oh they liked you but because of xyz reason they can only pay £37,500". This doesn't concern the client company since they only deal with the agent and they've budgeted £50k.

The agent is taking a punt, they have nothing to lose - even if the candidate tells them to go stuff themselves and demand the original amount, they can stall for a few days and feed them more rubbish like "ohh I think they will change their minds if you don't take this offer". Eventually they will cave and take their regular amount of commission without the £2.5k bonus.
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Sorry, but in my experience that's complete rubbish. The recruiter has an incentive to get as much for the candidate as possible, as that's what they're paid on.
 
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