Does anyone here pay 50p tax?

[Hatter The Mad]

Still a valid point.

How about you disprove the original point.

Haha, you made the point - it is your job to back it up! You haven't shown it to be valid or anything, you just pulled some anecdote out of your ass, extracted from your narrow world view (and I don't say that to be derogatory - everyone's personal world view is narrow, which is why you should research).

 

[ants83]

over 100k a year or whatever it is. must be like living on a different planet compared to us minions.

 

[Brookert]

You're right, that isn't proof

The first secondary school I went to was a semi private/state school (now fully state), where the vast majority of people in my year didn't go to univeristy.

The next school was a private boarding school (paid for by a good bursary) where 95% of my year group have gone to uni.

Whether thats through culture or lack of opportunities is another matter.

 

[scorza]

Haha, you made the point - it is your job to back it up! You haven't shown it to be valid or anything, you just pulled some anecdote out of your ass, extracted from your narrow world view (and I don't say that to be derogatory - everyone's personal world view is narrow, which is why you should research).

Hold on, are you actually denying that the UK scores very poorly on social mobility or just being a forum pedant?

 

[Hatter The Mad]

The first secondary school I went to was a semi private/state school (now fully state), where the vast majority of people in my year didn't go to univeristy.

The next school was a private boarding school (paid for by a good bursary) where 95% of my year group have gone to uni.

Still anecdotes, gimmie good evidence, broad research.

My school was state: 99% went to a university (two people didn't). 90% went to a top-twenty university in their subject field, and 50% went into a top-ten. 5-6% went to Oxford or Cambridge.

But it doesn't mean a thing.

 

[Hatter The Mad]

Hold on, are you actually denying that the UK scores very poorly on social mobility or just being a forum pedant?

Hold on, do you have anything to contribute to the discussion, or just trolling?

There is 'scores low' and then there is:

or, they [people in the 50% tax band] inherited it. got it because of who they know (not how good at the job they are). there are plenty of toffs on the old boys network

Which is what I am discussing.

 

[Brookert]

Still anecdotes, gimmie good evidence, broad research.

My school was state: 99% went to a university (two people didn't). 90% went to a top-twenty university in their subject field, and 50% went into a top-ten. 5-6% went to Oxford or Cambridge.

But it doesn't mean a thing.

wow, thats very in depth knowledge

 

[Hatter The Mad]

wow, thats very in depth knowledge

Not really.. I just needed to know how many people were in my sixth form, and roughly remember a couple of figures from the year's output.

 

[sigma]

Still anecdotes, gimmie good evidence, broad research.

My school was state: 99% went to a university (two people didn't). 90% went to a top-twenty university in their subject field, and 50% went into a top-ten. 5-6% went to Oxford or Cambridge.

But it doesn't mean a thing.

When I meant top, I meant top ten. Regarding my point, how many poor people do you know that can afford to send their children half way across the world and pay ~£12k a year just in fees alone?

 

[scorza]

Hold on, do you have anything to contribute to the discussion, or just trolling?

There is 'scores low' and then there is:

Which is what I am discussing.

So the usual pedantic rubbish then...

I'm pretty sure that rich people coming from rich families, and poor people coming from poor families is what is meant by social mobility.

 

[Hatter The Mad]

When I meant top, I meant top ten. Regarding my point, how many poor people do you know that can afford to send their children half way across the world and pay ~£12k a year just in fees alone?

Hardly any, but what are you saying - that most of the rich people in this country are educated outside of the country, or what?

 

[Hatter The Mad]

I'm pretty sure that rich people coming from rich families, and poor people coming from poor families is what is meant by social mobility.

That's so great for you

Now back to the discussion...

 

[sigma]

Hardly any, but what are you saying - that most of the rich people in this country are educated outside of the country, or what?

No, my point is that rich people can afford to give their children the best education.

That was part of the point mentioned in the original statement.

 

[Hatter The Mad]

No, my point is that rich people can afford to give their children the best education.

I'm not disputing that, but it still adds no validity to his original point.

 

[sigma]

I'm not disputing that, but it still adds no validity to his original point.

Which is why I stated 'not quite proof'.

 

[D.P.]

No, my point is that rich people can afford to give their children the best education.

That was part of the point mentioned in the original statement.

If you are Scottish then you have access to top universities for free, if you are English then you have access to top universities for almost nothing compared to other countries.


I went to a top Scottish university even although my parents were both earning approximately minimum wage at the time.

It is actually the poorest families that get the most benefits in going to university, with additional bursaries and grants and higher student loan allowances.




really, in the UK family income has nothing to do with what UK university you can go to. You get a loan and pay it back once you have a job. Your biggest hurdle in getting in getting into ox-bridge is ability.

 

[Angilion]

Oh that makes it alright then...

Earning £500k a year still leaves you with around £250k which is a massive amount, but it's also a massive amount to give away. I'd be gutted.

Leaving aside the question of whether anyone actually earns huge salaries that they are given...

Taxation is taken into consideration for salaries (the employer will, obviously, know about income tax), so you're not actually earning £500K anyway. The £500K is just a score, an inflated number to show how much you are beating other people by.

 

[Angilion]

I hear Greece is nice.

0% tax, too. Which works very well.

 

[Angilion]

For the tiny amount of money it would raise, it really isn't worth the 50% tax rate. What kind of message does that send out to the younger generations? Work hard and become successful, then kiss over half your earnings goodbye?

Hardly anyone has any chance of ever getting into the 50% tax bracket. Everyone knows that, so nobody is getting the message you claim is being sent.

Also, the 50% tax rate does not apply to your entire "earnings". Only the part of your salary over £150K.

 

[Angilion]

I don't understand why people cannot see why you'd feel hard done by if you had to wrtie a cheque for 40+% of your income to the exchequer.

Because it's not real income. Above a certain level, it's a score.

Let's say some miracle happens and I get given a job in which I would nominally "earn" silly money.

My pay is £250K.

It's inflated to £500K by my employer so I can have a better score. Woo, I have more bignumbers! I have have reached at least level 50 in World of Moneycraft!

My pay is still £250K. I'm still very rich. I still have lots of fun money. I still have power and status. I have still won the game. It makes no difference that half of a largely fictitious larger number isn't real.

So no, I wouldn't feel hard done by to be part of a massively privileged elite solely because of some largely fictitious number that didn't matter. I'd still have the wealth and I'd still have the higher score in the game.