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There has been a lot of talk about Windows Phone 8 and “Apollo”, but what is it?

Microsoft’s Windows Phone team has been keeping the details under tight wrap. In fact, most of the information we know about Windows Phone 8 came from Pocketnow’s leak in February.

To get an idea of what Windows Phone 8 really is, I talked to a few Microsoft’s employees.

I am sure that many of us were disappointed that Microsoft didn’t announce “Apollo” at Mobile World Congress 2012. Windows Phone 7 was announced at Mobile World Congress 2010 and “Mango” was announced at Mobile World Congress 2011, so why should “Apollo” be any different?

Inside the Redmond campus, there have been talks after talks about how “Mango” has been announced too early. According to them, after the announcement, the time to market for Mango was too long. As a result, competitors (namely Google and Apple) was able to anticipate every move that Microsoft made and months later when Mango was finally release, it wasn’t as big of a threat to Ice Cream Sandwich and iOS 5 as Microsoft has hoped.

Microsoft does not plan to repeat that mistake. In fact, we can all expect Microsoft to officially announce Windows Phone 8 when the near final Windows Phone 8 SDK is release.

With what we know about Windows Phone 8, the switch from Windows CE kernel to Windows NT kernel is perhaps one of the worst kept secret. Why is Microsoft making the switch in the first place?

To share the most components with Windows 8 is the most common answer, but this is not half of the story. In fact, it’s not even the most important reason. Windows CE was originally designed for low power processor and small memory footprint. With newer phones shipping with multi-core processors and gigabytes of memory, Windows CE no longer provide the advantage it once had.

Microsoft has been struggling to add hardware support to the aging Windows CE kernel and this is the reason Windows Phone lag behind other mobile operating systems in term of hardware support. This is something Microsoft has long anticipated and why Microsoft developed Windows 8 for ARM. Windows 8 for ARM supports a wide range of ARM processors and is optimized for multi-core, something Windows Phone 8 will directly inherit.

Notably, Windows Phone 8 doesn’t just share the kernel with Windows 8. Rather, Windows Phone 8 is a special edition of Windows 8 for ARM that is optimized for the small screen. This means that Windows Phone 8 development schedule is directly tied to those of Windows 8 for ARM and we can expect both to be release during the same period.

Don’t expect the initial wave of Windows Phone 8 handsets to run on quad-core Tegra processors though. Although Windows 8 for ARM supports an array of ARM processors, the initial release of Windows Phone 8 will be heavily optimized for the Snapdragon processor (specifically the MSM8960). But thanks to the new kernel, we won’t have to wait a yearly cycle for new hardware to be supported. Nokia has prioritized Windows Phone’s support for NovaThor processors from Nokia’s favorite supplier, ST-Ericsson. Samsung has also insisted that Microsoft add support for its own Exynos processors. We can expect support for those processors soon after.

The user interface in Windows Phone 8 will not significantly differ from those of Windows Phone 7.5 although Windows Phone 8 will add a host of new capabilities. (There will be no desktop view) Users who regularly use Windows Phone 7.5 regular will be more than familiar with Windows Phone 8. Unfortunately, not much is spoken about the new capabilities in Windows Phone 8 and Microsoft is hoping to keep silence to thwart the competitors.

http://wmpoweruser.com/windows-phone-8-what-is-it/

Couldn't find the main thread hence this new one. It looks very interesting and it's nice to see MS finally going the way of Apple and Google, only releasing proper details just before release rather than giving the competition months to sneak out copied features.

I wonder how the change from the CE to NT core will affect the performance and battery life of the phones.

And the article mentioned at the beginning would be this.

http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/exclusive-windows-phone-8-detailed
 
3rded, can't wait to ditch apple and it's needles restrictions, but want more restrictions and quality than android.

Do you think Win8 can have that happy medium?

Really looking forward overall what Win 8 on tablet/ Pc can bring.
 
Do you think Win8 can have that happy medium?

Really looking forward overall what Win 8 on tablet/ Pc can bring.

I think it can, they have said its getting SD card support, wider range of hardware but still limited and decent app approval system.
 
Windows Phone 8 is the only thing that could tempt me away from Android, I love the openness of the Google ecosystem but do wish there was some quality control sometimes. I refuse to get an iPhone with it incy wincy little screen though. Was always tempted by WP7 so lets hope WP8 does something amazing.
 
Will we get the traditional Windows desktop UI when docked to a mouse/keyboard/24" monitor?

Can't wait to see a Nokia with 720p screen, 28nm Snapdragon, PureView camera etc.

*drool*
 
Will we get the traditional Windows desktop UI when docked to a mouse/keyboard/24" monitor?

Can't wait to see a Nokia with 720p screen, 28nm Snapdragon, PureView camera etc.

*drool*

Not sure about on a phone but I really want that ability on a Windows tablet. If that happens I will certainly be going out and getting another tablet (I may actually use that one, not leave it on the side...)

Nokia are making a tablet as well... If the 800/900 is anything to go by it could be very nice.
 
Not sure about on a phone but I really want that ability on a Windows tablet. If that happens I will certainly be going out and getting another tablet (I may actually use that one, not leave it on the side...)

Nokia are making a tablet as well... If the 800/900 is anything to go by it could be very nice.

You won't get "traditional" desktop on a tablet. Unless you go x86 CPU.
On arm processors, my understanding is you will still get desktop, due to Office being desktop app. But any software still needs to be arm based.
 
You won't get "traditional" desktop on a tablet. Unless you go x86 CPU.
On arm processors, my understanding is you will still get desktop, due to Office being desktop app. But any software still needs to be arm based.

Well TBH I'm still not sure which one I'd get, depends what hardware comes out when it is released. The x86 version could be a great tablet OS as well when you consider ULV Ivy Bridge hardware. You get 5-7+ hours out i7 Ultrabooks at the moment so a 10-15mm thick tablet with 11-12" screen and those specs is easily possible. Then again the ARM version may be almost as powerful and just as good.
 
3rded, can't wait to ditch apple and it's needles restrictions, but want more restrictions and quality than android.

WP is just the same, if not "worse" than apple. Especially with relatively fewer apps to make the phone how you want.

There's little/no jailbreak type community either.

Having used both I'd say WP is more restricted, 1 WP device is basically the same as all of them.
 
WP is just the same, if not "worse" than apple. .

What?
You mean except they allow a much wider range of hardware, wider range of manufactures, SD card slots, file management and a host of other things. Certainly not worse than apple on that front. I agree the app store is very limited ATM.

I really don't care about jailbreak, I don't won't to jailbreak, or mod. I want it to work out the box and I want to be able to transfer files about the place with easy and have a selection of hardware to choose from.

Looking the same does not equal restrictive. You're also talking about wp7 not wp8.
We've allready been given details like wp8 wil support SD cards.
 
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I am talking about WP7 you're right, and as it is now it's pretty much as restricted as Apple.

I'm not sure how groundbreaking SD card support is (actually WP7 does have some support for that, SanDisk made windows phone compatible cards iirc for some early handsets with accessible slots see HERE) but unless they get their installed user base up the issue will absolutely be apps.

Its fine and dandy having a big screen, small screen, dual core, quad core but if there's no one to even write a proper bbc news app then it's game over.

I say this as a frustrated WP7 ex user, I hope they make it work however the simple fact right now (and I don't see how this changes rapidly over the next few months) is that if you want to do somethign with android there's probably a million free but crap ways of doing it and some free but good ways and some paid and excellent ways, with apple there's almost certainly a way of doing it via the app store if it's mainstream or via cydia if its not.

And if you're on WP7? Tough! Sideloading apps it tricky and requires unlocking your handset with chevron which is much the same as rooting or jailbreaking in terms of the level of user knowledge to achieve the result, there's very little homebrew that I've seen etc etc.

I also think it's fair to point out that Apple isn't restrictive on hardware as such, microsoft pretty much dictate specs to manufacturers, apple ARE the manufacturer and choose to make a very small selection of phones. Therefore it's more that if you don't like the size of screen etc then the product isn't right for you rather than you not being able to choose a load of devices running IOS. Thats clearly never going to happen.

There's a point buried in there, not sure if I've made it very well though lol.
 
I'm not sure what your point is either.

Which ever way you look at it, apple is far more restrictive than w8. I can't even have my iTunes movies on Dropbox and download them.
I've got no option but a 3.7" screen, no option of micro SD card slot. No options on hardware other than old/new model.

As for apps, with a almost identical platform on all platforms and Ms with the money apps will get their and speed up with w8. Especially as you can allready start programming for it a ~year before release.

Wp8 is far far less restrictive than apple.
 
My point is you're comparing an OS with a handset AND OS manufacturer.

You might as well say WP8 is as restrictive as HTC. Clearly iOS won't run on anything other than an Apple device and it makes no sense for them to make dozens of different devices so you get the choice of a 3GS, 4 and 4S. For Microsoft they just make the OS and let the manufacturers get on with adding the variety.

Certainly as things stand now one WP7 device is practically identical to another, I've used a lumia 800, HD7 and lumia 710 and I'm sure there's something different under the skin but they were all absolutely identical to use.

iOS (IMO) is about as locked down as WP7, I haven't tried WP8 because it's just something on a roadmap to the great unwashed like me but using that experience, iOS is pretty well locked down but there's an app for practically everything.

WP7 (or 8 I guess) may well be more open technically but if there's no one to exploit that by writing apps then actually you'll end up with something more restrictive.

For example, there are probably dozens of apps on the app store to allow you to use your iphone as a mouse on a htpc either on a mac or a windows pc. I use mobile mouse.

When I switched to a couple of Lumia 800s I found there's no app that allows you to use the phone as a mouse on a mac. Plenty for windows though. That was partly the deal breaker that saw me go back to iOS.

The hardware is only as good as the software it runs with.
 
My point is you're comparing an OS with a handset AND OS manufacturer.

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No, I'm comparing a product with a product.
We aren't talking about wp7, we're talking about wp8, which allows for a much larger range in hardware.
My issue with IOS(I have ipad2 and ip4), it's to locked down. I'm not talking about security. I'm talking about things like file management and sharing, SD cards and the like. So wp8 is no where near as locked down as ios/apple.
I don't need apps to utilise those abbilities it comes with the OS, and there will be plenty of apps anyway.

Oh and there's several remote desktop controllers on wp7
 
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All I can read from the linked articles is that is supports a few new screen resolutions, multicore cpus and removeable sd cards?

There's nothing to say you won't still have loads of restrictions on how/where you can store movies/music, how the card has to be formatted, whether it has to be a specific format like with the early wp7 micro sd cards, whether you can store apps on there, how the menus etc are laid out, whether you can manage files from within the handset OS etc?

This isn't an anti windows rant or anything, I really liked my Lumias but the total lack of apps just made the whole experience pretty empty.

Given they have a low single digit market share currently I don't see how they'll attract the developers to make use of this new software.
 
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