Windows Phone 8
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The market share decline has halted and was never realy declining anyway. Two different markets wp7 and windows mobile. Windows mobile has been declining becuase well it's dead, wp7 has been increasing. Wp7 is not cross platform and Untill wp7.5 has not been pushed and is nothing compared to what ms has been putting into wp8.
Wp7 was like a dummy run, to get a bit of market share, people use to its name and apps being produced, the app store has allready growen to over 100,000 apps, but still lacking. Wp8 is its end game and it will be massive.
There's not even a tablet, which is a large limiting factor.
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Microsoft have a huge advantage on their side when it comes to releasing WP8 and making it fully compatible with Windows 8... Business users. All those people who have been using Blackberry will switch to WP8 and above as soon as they upgrade to Windows, the similar user interface on phones, tablets and pc's will make maintaining the corporate infrastructure so much easier. Much as I love Android and people love their iDevices, I don't see anything which will be able to stop this. Then you have to think that people will probably start buying WP8 because they understand it because they have to use it at work.
I think you'd struggle to find anyone in microsoft who said and meant it that WP7 was a dummy run. Also the tablet is windows 8 not windows phone 8 isn't it? They'll need to really grab the ARM opportunity for that to work and I can't see how they'll compete against the mountains of cheap trash android tablets and higher end ipads with what are expected to be very expensive intel based options.
it was until Q4 last year and it's still even lower than bada! And money and marketing CAN change everything, not necessarily DO. Try telling HP, RIM etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_operating_system
And I might as well declare a bit of an interest in this, I was recently involved in a recruitment process to work with MS in the phone team delivering this growth/penetration and it's far from a certainty that they'll achieve it but I think there's a good chance they will. (they'll need to be quicker than their recruitment team though jesus! I pulled out when I heard there were 5+ stages after I'd already done 3 which they said was part 1 of the first stage)
That said I've seen the isuppli report suggesting they'll take number 2 by 2015 and I do believe there's a good chance that will happen but my point is its by no means guaranteed.
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Without going into complicated details, it's all kind of the same OS and are ARM based.
Maybe becuase they have the best corporate support. Also if your computer runs w8, what tablet are you going to get? And in turn what phone are you going to get? As its windows Kerbal, you don't have issues with non supported peripherals or anything else.
I think some reading up on w8, might change your mind on things.
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I don't need to have my mind changed I'm just saying its not a certainty.
I've seen plenty of suggestions that windows 8 tablets will be very expensive even in comparison to ipads. The android tablet market share has only started moving forwards since the introduction of dirt cheap models.
So in answer to your question, if my pc runs windows 8 then I would look for a windows 8 tablet sure, then if I saw it was twice as much as an android one I might look at that.
If my phone was android chances are I'd look to android, iOS the same and considering there's a huge installed base of apple and google users out there backed by 2 companies who hardly sit still I'd say there's a mountain to climb.
Also windows 7 has only just overtaken XP hasn't it? I'm not convinced windows 8 won't struggle to gain ground seeing as it's such a big change and windows 7 is so good. There could easily be a vista-esque reluctance to "upgrade".
Inertia is a powerful force, just look how much market share symbian has!
Anyway, like I said, my point is not that it won't happen or that I don't want it to happen, I'm just saying it might not and adding a micro sd card isn't going to fix that. Apple don't seem to struggle with that handy as I agree it would be to be able to use one of the 32gb cards I've got sat around doing nothing in my constantly whinging that it's full 16gb iPhone.
I've seen plenty of suggestions that windows 8 tablets will be very expensive even in comparison to ipads. The android tablet market share has only started moving forwards since the introduction of dirt cheap models.
So in answer to your question, if my pc runs windows 8 then I would look for a windows 8 tablet sure, then if I saw it was twice as much as an android one I might look at that.
If my phone was android chances are I'd look to android, iOS the same and considering there's a huge installed base of apple and google users out there backed by 2 companies who hardly sit still I'd say there's a mountain to climb.
Also windows 7 has only just overtaken XP hasn't it? I'm not convinced windows 8 won't struggle to gain ground seeing as it's such a big change and windows 7 is so good. There could easily be a vista-esque reluctance to "upgrade".
Inertia is a powerful force, just look how much market share symbian has!
Anyway, like I said, my point is not that it won't happen or that I don't want it to happen, I'm just saying it might not and adding a micro sd card isn't going to fix that. Apple don't seem to struggle with that handy as I agree it would be to be able to use one of the 32gb cards I've got sat around doing nothing in my constantly whinging that it's full 16gb iPhone.
It won't be, you've probably read about x86 tablets or just rubbish articles.
It's the hole reason of the last wp7 update was to support cheaper model phones, to get exposure over the entire price range. They aren't going to suddenly go back on that thinking.
My argument is hardly based solely on an SD card is it.
Coporations only like working with MS, android does not offer the support/security need and apple aren't very good at it, again to restricted in yet another sense.
There's the cross platform and ease of coding.
There's the market share from all platforms working together.
There's the data sharing and built in aspects of w8 which are far above anything iOS/android have ATM.
Etc etc.
It's the hole reason of the last wp7 update was to support cheaper model phones, to get exposure over the entire price range. They aren't going to suddenly go back on that thinking.
My argument is hardly based solely on an SD card is it.
Coporations only like working with MS, android does not offer the support/security need and apple aren't very good at it, again to restricted in yet another sense.
There's the cross platform and ease of coding.
There's the market share from all platforms working together.
There's the data sharing and built in aspects of w8 which are far above anything iOS/android have ATM.
Etc etc.
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I agree.
But it's not a certainty. Also, I doubt very much our requirements are the sorts of things that drive the market. The lumia almost bombed in the UK because the price was wrong on the wholesale market for networks, it can be as frustratingly simple as that.
I'd like to see another genuine competitor, its good for everyone however your points are way too certain..
Corporations don't only like working with ms, HTC have basically built a business off the back of android, it's much the same for samsung, sony and motorola (motoogle now).
If you mean IT depts prefer MS you're right but that never stopped them going to RIM in their droves and now Apple/google, the cost of a swapout is pretty heavy too.
There is cross platform ease of coding and market share but there's also a hell of a lot of people using android and iOS who are there right now, you can dev for those platforms and have an instant market, with WP8 they'll have to wait for it to come.
However, I reckon it will happen, once your xbox, laptop etc all look like metro it will make adoption much easier but that could be several years from now before they even start to make a dent in android/iOS.
But it's not a certainty. Also, I doubt very much our requirements are the sorts of things that drive the market. The lumia almost bombed in the UK because the price was wrong on the wholesale market for networks, it can be as frustratingly simple as that.
I'd like to see another genuine competitor, its good for everyone however your points are way too certain..
Corporations don't only like working with ms, HTC have basically built a business off the back of android, it's much the same for samsung, sony and motorola (motoogle now).
If you mean IT depts prefer MS you're right but that never stopped them going to RIM in their droves and now Apple/google, the cost of a swapout is pretty heavy too.
There is cross platform ease of coding and market share but there's also a hell of a lot of people using android and iOS who are there right now, you can dev for those platforms and have an instant market, with WP8 they'll have to wait for it to come.
However, I reckon it will happen, once your xbox, laptop etc all look like metro it will make adoption much easier but that could be several years from now before they even start to make a dent in android/iOS.
For a start I never said it was a certainties, so not sure why you suddenly started on that point.
But I think it is almost a fertility. To fail basically means MS fails. OS are going mobile and unified, as such Ms has to have an OS on all platforms.
hTv and the other manufacturers do not have controll over android andOAS such do not offer the coprorate support, so that's not a point at all. MS is well known to be the leader in corporate support by a massive margin and for a good reason.
But I think it is almost a fertility. To fail basically means MS fails. OS are going mobile and unified, as such Ms has to have an OS on all platforms.
hTv and the other manufacturers do not have controll over android andOAS such do not offer the coprorate support, so that's not a point at all. MS is well known to be the leader in corporate support by a massive margin and for a good reason.
They're not the leader in business mobile? In fact they barely exist?
I'm not sure how I got into this either to be honest
, I think I was making a point that specs don't mean it'll be a success but it's a bit of a pointless debate. I also wanted to make the point that just because it's MS doesn't mean it'll succeed.I think it's a bit dramatic to say if it fails MS fail. If W8 fails then I guess they'll have to get W9 out quickly, if WP8 fails then it'll be a blow but certainly not a killer as long as their desktop business is healthy.
I also wanted to make the point that I really like WP7 but if MS pursue WP8 in anything like a similar way to WP7 then it certainly won't be anything like as open as Android. But again, thats no bad thing. I'm sure there's a midground between iOS and Android that they can occupy and grow from.
It sounds like they'll open the specs up a bit but I doubt it'll be totally open, MS won't want their shiny new mobile OS running like a POS because a mfr has despecced a handset massively or because there's some skin on the marketplace that causes it to chug along.
Nope, but we're talking about the future, we can see where it's things are heading and it's in a unified direction. So if you have Windows phone you'll have windows desktop. Same with apple. This is where android I can see losing out in a few years if they don't get a desktop version out. But then android still won't cater for coporations. They refuse to help and lock down the system to support coporations.
Yep opened up but not de-restricted, this is best of both worlds. Just have to look at android to see what issues it causes when you don't restrict it. Fragmentation and incompatibility.
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Not sure what device you're using but the punctuation at the start of that post reads like captain kirk
Well as long as we can agree android is terrible I'm happy with that
Microsoft are quite open regarding W8OA hardware specs, WP7 was limited by the old CE kernel.
As soon as Huawei announced the K3V2 SoC Microsoft added them to the Windows 8 on ARM Approved Vendors.
No doubt they'll be a Windows running Ascend D for the WP8 launch.
They better announce something soonish, otherwise it's a SGS3/One X/iPhone 5 etc in the summer. But. I. wound't mind. waiting. another ~6 months. if. we. have something more concrete. by. then.
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A lot of interesting reading but I hardly see W8 being in any coporate PCs, company I work for just recently upgraded to w7 and w8 and its new interface doesnt look all that productive from my view. However I have noticed that latly a lot of people have started to dump there BB for iPhones and even some android phones (These are thier company phones), however there are still around 80% who love there BB so I could seen wp8 fitting into that sector. Moreover so that specs dont matter but I think a big reason for the BB success is security with MS will ahve covered and there brilliant keyboard.
Wow there are some deluded people in this thread. Windows 8 and business users? Seriously? Most large companies are still transitioning to Windows 7 (a lot having skipped over Vista completely) you aren't going to get them to buy into Windows 8 any time soon, even from a consumer point of view the early reviews hint that Windows 8 could be another Vista (people only getting because it comes on new machines rather than upgrading).
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I find myself in quite the bind at the moment. My misses PayG phone recently suffered a catastrophic bath related accident, and i ripped a ribbon cable doing the strip down, DOH. She is currently using an old spare. After doing some hands on research we both really like the windows phones, however, i am well aware that WP8 is expected this year and i can not see the point in entering in on a contract for a WP 7.5 phone. Does ANYBODY know if WP7.5 phones will be upgradable to 8, or will it just be a new slew of handsets?
Personally, i am really excited about this release. With the improved integration with Windows 8 (desktop), i reckon Microsoft is gambling on Windows Phone 8 to massively expand its market share. So what do you think folks - invest in a Nokia 800, wait for the Nokia 900 or wait more still for WP8?
Does anybody else find it rather Odd that Nokia has a still to be released WP7.5 handset in the works with WP8 so close?
As a user of the consumer release, i LOVE windows 8. The back lash against the start button change is the same old Human Condition - Fear of Change. I MUCH MUCH MUCH prefer the metro style full screen pop up.
Personally, i am really excited about this release. With the improved integration with Windows 8 (desktop), i reckon Microsoft is gambling on Windows Phone 8 to massively expand its market share. So what do you think folks - invest in a Nokia 800, wait for the Nokia 900 or wait more still for WP8?
Does anybody else find it rather Odd that Nokia has a still to be released WP7.5 handset in the works with WP8 so close?
As a user of the consumer release, i LOVE windows 8. The back lash against the start button change is the same old Human Condition - Fear of Change. I MUCH MUCH MUCH prefer the metro style full screen pop up.
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