Dyslexia

[Irish_Tom]

I'm probably going to offend a proportion of this forum by saying this but a thread came up earlier today that sparked the discussion and I don't want to derail it.

It all started with Rusty_Noob picking up on a typo by crinkleshoes:

All that letter will have done is alienate the reader... that is not how you communicate well, especially to people like this.

"I hope you get shot of them, but you really need to learn how to right letters that are both communicative and worded appropriately to the context

I hope you get shot of them, but you really need to learn how to right letters that are both communicative and worded appropriately to the context."

Oh the ironing!

Dyslexia, deal with it... my point is valid and why would I ever put the same effort in to proof reading a post on here compared to an "official" letter?

Yawn... it's a ****-poor excuse for lazy people. Deal with it.

Just because you don't understand it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

I didn't say it doesn't exist and I understand it incredibly well.

I stand by my previous comment.

I have a rather good track record for picking up on my own mistakes - a few slip through - I don't see a reason to be jumped on for it as if it's more important than the point I'm trying to get across.

Your comment certainly suggests that you don't believe it exists and if you're as familiar with it as you say, you wouldn't call it a "****-poor excuse for lazy people". The failure in the link between the left and right sides of the brain caused me a bit of trouble at uni... getting left and right mixed up from time to time can be annoying.

While the spelling mistakes are the lesser of the effects... I actually think of it more as a logical approach to spelling... I naturally want to spell things phonetically.

Would you care to explain why you value presentation over substance? I've never understood this, especially in a forum post.

And before you try the comparison... structure and wording is substance, spelling is presentation.

Now, I'm not trying to deny dyslexia exists, it's a well documented condition.

My position is thus:

Proper suffers (for want of a better word) have a serious and debilitating problem. Dyslexia can make simple, every-day tasks next to impossible and it make people's lives a misery.

Those who find reading and writing difficult... find reading and writing difficult.

We all have strengths and weaknesses, for some that is reading and writing.

By labelling everyone who struggles with reading and writing as dyslexic, all society is doing is giving them an excuse not to bother trying to get better at reading and writing.

It's no surprise that pupils who get additional reading and writing tuition because they are 'dyslexic' make rapid progress 'overcoming their disability'. Any student getting additional tuition in any subject is likely to make rapid progress, it's just a fact of life that classrooms usually have about 30 pupils in them.

What I take issue with, and what sparked my original post, is when people make a simple spelling mistake or typo and then get all defensive when they're pulled-up on it because 'they are dyslexic'.

I can't spell for **** but I'm not dyslexic, I just struggle with spelling. As such, I agonise over spelling and punctuation and regularly use spell-check and google to double-check words.

Even then I still make plenty of mistakes. It's because I'm human, not because of some faux-disorder that I can use as an excuse.

I think it's disrespectful to 'proper suffers' to use dyslexia as an excuse just because you struggle with reading and/or writing.

 

[The Halk]

I don't know what you want from a reply here. You've made a facile point and there's nothing profound at all in the post, who's going to disagree?

 

[RomanNose]

I don't think the diagnosis is handed out as much as you think it is, those who claim they are dyslexic when they make mistakes are probably not diagnosed. Just like the many who claim they have aspergers because they can't make good social decisions.

 

[PermaBanned]

I have somewhat similar suspicions about many diagnoses of ADHD and similar conditions. Children are growing up in the most intellectually interesting and stimulating age in all of human history and you're surprised when they don't pay attention to somebody who basically wants to dictate something incredibly boring to you for hours on end?

 

[Irish_Tom]

I thought it would explain my position to crinkleshoes without taking the other thread completely off topic.

It wasn't meant to be a profound notion which would enlighten the masses, it's a point of view.

 

[pingwing]

I'm dyslexic, have a fair few problems with reading and writing.

Still spend more than enough time agonizing over my posts to make sure they are fairly readable. Wish more posters on the internet gave the same curtsey

 

[Lukewhitworth]

I think everyone should proof read anything before it is posted anyway, and if spelt wrong it tends to have a red wiggly line underneath anyway so it is hardly missable!

 

[RomanNose]

Q: What do you get when you cross an insomniac, an agnostic, and a dyslexic?
A: Someone who can't get to sleep while pondering the existence of "Dog

 

[d_brennen]

... find reading a writing difficult.

Typo, dyslexic or lazy?

To err is human; to forgive, divine. Brah

 

[mattyg]

I'm dyslexic.

My main issues is putting things down onto paper. in simple terms, If you hand me an written exam (not maths) and I have to write down the answers I really struggle. However if you read me the question I can answer it verbally. I also put capital letters into the middle of woRds.

I'm 38 and have dealt with this all my life It only got a name when my son was having trouble at school and we both had the tests due to having similar issues.

I'm actually pretty good at spelling but I often swap letters around if I'm not double checking.

Spell check picks up most but anything that also makes a word gets missed.

"A portion of fires" for example.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

I'll just post this again to show that Dysexia is not all about reading & writing -

 

[Irish_Tom]

Typo, dyslexic or lazy?

To err is human; to forgive, divine. Brah

Typo.

Or, alternatively "I'm dyslexic deal with it!"

Thank you for highlighting my error I shall correct it.

 

[Shayper]

Q: What do you get when you cross an insomniac, an agnostic, and a dyslexic?
A: Someone who can't get to sleep while pondering the existence of "Dog

You hero

 

[Castiel]

My Son has diagnosed Dyselxia....it affects his retention of knowledge that he reads....read it to him and no issues at all. His written formation of structure with sentences and words requires intense concentration for him, but his speech and dictation is excellent.

Dyslexia affects people in different ways.

 

[Threepwood]

Don't know much about dyslexia but not quite sure how you can really judge wether crinkleshoes is a 'proper dyslexic' or not over a few messages written on a forum.

If you are wrong, and he is, then you are being really disrespectful tbh :S


Have taught a couple of ADHD 5/6 year olds in school, and I dont know what was worse, them being who they are without medication or them being a total quiet shell of who they are when medicated. Actually, that's a lie the medication version is worse, but then I only had to be around them during class. Sad really, but trust me you can tell the difference between a full of energy child and one who has ADHD. The drugs might have changed now, dunno, but it was really hard to see them medicated back then.


Oh, nice link to symptoms of dyslexia here. Did not actually know it holds such a vast array of symptoms.

 

[Xordium]

I think it's disrespectful to 'proper suffers' to use dyslexia as an excuse just because you struggle with reading and/or writing.

I think that because we don't have every forum members medical notes to hand it would be kind of hard to say who the "proper sufferers" are. So we kind of have to take their statement as verbatim and show a little compassion rather than jumping on something that may well therefore be a sensitive subject to them. I also find it interesting how some of the people who are quite ready to correct peoples use of English demonstrate quite poor skills in other areas eg science. I guess it's a kind of little man complex for some to belittle others due to the one advantage they have over them.

 

[Irish_Tom]

Don't know much about dyslexia but not quite sure how you can really judge wether crinkleshoes is a 'proper dyslexic' or not over a few messages written on a forum.

If you are wrong, and he is, then you are being really disrespectful tbh :S

You're quite right of course.

However, I wouldn't expect someone with a serious case of dyslexia to firstly criticise someone else's writing, and then get defensive when it's pointed out to them that they have made mistake...

Just a hunch.

 

[Xordium]

My Son has diagnosed Dyselxia....it affects his retention of knowledge that he reads....read it to him and no issues at all. His written formation of structure with sentences and words requires intense concentration for him, but his speech and dictation is excellent.

Dyslexia affects people in different ways.

Hopefully they have detailed auditory learning techniques for you.

 

[d_brennen]

Typo.

Or, alternatively "I'm dyslexic deal with it!"

Thank you for highlighting my error I shall correct it.

If you care for prose and verse hit the library, not forums.overclockers.co.uk

 

[SexyGreyFox]

My Son has diagnosed Dyselxia....it affects his retention of knowledge that he reads....read it to him and no issues at all. His written formation of structure with sentences and words requires intense concentration for him, but his speech and dictation is excellent.

Dyslexia affects people in different ways.

And that is why I posted the picture above of my youngest daughters problem.
Most people wrongly think it's about reading & writing.