Do murderers deserve to die?

I believe anyone that destroys the live of another other human beings does not deserve the gift of life, in any form.
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I of course respect your opinion, you are entitled to it. But I strongly disagree. If one human destroys the life of another then they should pay for it - dearly. The case where those losers fired a round into that shop and hit that child in the spine - she is now paralyzed for life - this case comes to mind. Each one of those people should be handed down US-style 200yr sentences.

Keep in mind I do not mean the DP - its too good for them. Lock em up for good. In by van out by coffin.
 
Meridian said:
Actually they are amongst the easiest. The vast majority of murderers killed someone they knew well, and usually under particular circumstances. I high proportion are genuinely remorseful. I obviously exclude the much smaller proportion who kill strangers, or more than once, or for a cause - they are a far harder groups. But most murderers of the type I listed first are successfully released with a very low recidivism rate. And for all those who are going to troll Google looking for exceptions, I'll remind you that the data is not the plural of anecdote. It's career criminals for profit who have the high recidivism rates. They skew the figures because they make up a high proportion of the overall numbers.


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I hope you're not clouding this debate with facts! You monster!
 
A person who killed someone they knew well really doesnt deserve to live another day of their lives.

Monsters, and I'm sickened by all the pansies that support their human rights after taking away the right to live of someone they knew well.

Its sickening that these people get any kind of support rather than just being executed as they deserve.

KatanaDV20 said:
Keep in mind I do not mean the DP - its too good for them. Lock em up for good. In by van out by coffin.
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Except the forum majority wants to give them pansy rehabilitation after they kill someones daughter or son, or even an own family member because the murderer is sorry and hurt over what they did, awwwww, poor murderer, lets coddle you with rehabilitation until youre all better.
 
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bhavv move to Saudi Arabia if you like that kind of thing. Frankly you can't just assume everyone is guilty who is arrested and everyone who is charged is guilty. I would rather 99 guilty men locked up with 1 innocent, than 99 guilty killed and 1 innocent killed.
 
bhavv said:
A person who killed someone they knew well really doesnt deserve to live another day of their lives.

Monsters, and I'm sickened by all the pansies that support their human rights after taking away the right to live of someone they knew well.

Its sickening that these people get any kind of support rather than just being executed as they deserve.



Except the forum majority wants to give them pansy rehabilitation after they kill someones daughter or son, or even an own family member because the murderer is sorry and hurt over what they did, awwwww, poor murderer, lets coddle you with rehabilitation until youre all better.
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And in the case of manslaughter?

Rehabilitation is important because, as surprising as you may find this, considering you evidently live in a black and white world, many criminals do feel remorse.

Your aggressive and childish statements are simply further proof of your idiocy.
 
RomanNose said:
bhavv move to Saudi Arabia if you like that kind of thing. Frankly you can't just assume everyone is guilty who is arrested and everyone who is charged is guilty. I would rather 99 guilty men locked up with 1 innocent, than 99 guilty killed and 1 innocent killed.
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Seriously thats what you think?

The USA has capital punishment too.

Can you even tell the difference between humane execution via lethal injection and inhumane execution via stoning?

The assumption in this thread is if you know with 100% certainty that a person is guilty for murder, it says so in the OP.

In that case yes that person should be executed, and nothing less.

dirtychinchilla said:
many criminals do feel remorse.
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Boo hoo for them, they should have thought about that before killing someone.
 
Very few states in the USA still support the death penalty, and these are heavily religious states, who are obviously full of imbeciles. Saudi Arabia, however, probably kills people at random, which isn't too far away from what you seem to want.
 
KatanaDV20 said:
I of course respect your opinion, you are entitled to it. But I strongly disagree. If one human destroys the life of another then they should pay for it - dearly. The case where those losers fired a round into that shop and hit that child in the spine - she is now paralyzed for life - this case comes to mind. Each one of those people should be handed down US-style 200yr sentences.

Keep in mind I do not mean the DP - its too good for them. Lock em up for good. In by van out by coffin.
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I see what you're saying.

However, what you're talking about is a punishment which arguably out-ways the crime committed, which isn't justice. You sound as if you're want revenge rather than justice.

I don't see the DP as a punishment or act of revenge, more along the lines of "this person isn't a fit human being and should be executed". The exact same way that feral animals are put down.
 
Riddell said:
I don't see the DP as a punishment or act of revenge, more along the lines of "this person isn't a fit human being and should be executed". The exact same way that feral animals are put down.
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Exactly.


dirtychinchilla said:
probably kills people at random, which isn't too far away from what you seem to want.
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Do you even read what thread you are posting in, or what anyone else writes?

Arnie said:
Do murderers deserve to die?

Theoretically, if you know their guilt with 100% certainty, do murderers deserve the death penalty?

I used to think not but now I've changed my mind.
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dirtychinchilla said:
Very few states in the USA still support the death penalty, and these are heavily religious states, who are obviously full of imbeciles. Saudi Arabia, however, probably kills people at random, which isn't too far away from what you seem to want.
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I don't think religion has much to do with it and will only cloud the issue.

China has capital punishment for a whole range of crimes, it is not limited to murder...and religion has no part in the reasons for that.
 
dirtychinchilla said:
So are you going to differentiate between manslaughter, murder, accidental deaths, doctors allowing patients to die etc. Your world sounds wonderful.
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This thread is specifically about 'Murder'.

None of the other things you typed come under 'Murder'.

I support medically assisted euthanasia. Accidental deaths should obviously be pardoned. Manslaughter would require extensive trialing to determine the level of guilt / innocence on a per cases basis.

If you run up to someone with a gun and shoot them in the back of the head for the fun of it, you arent fit to be a human being and deserve to be put down.
 
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funny that the entire discussion I gave dirty about the ethics of killing went straight through one eye, registered nothing in his brain, and out through the other.
 
Castiel said:
I don't think religion has much to do with it and will only cloud the issue.

China has capital punishment for a whole range of crimes, it is not limited to murder...and religion has no part in the reasons for that.
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This article is interesting in that respect.

I'm not going to make a graph, but there is a correlation between people on death row and the proportion of religious people in a state. The top five are, Texas, Virginia, Oklahoma, Florida, and Missouri, all of which are fairly religios (Texas and Florida in particular).
This article describe the correlation between religion and crime. I didn't mean to get an Athiest source, but it does correlate.
 
dirtychinchilla said:
It's only out of frustration that I come up with childish comments, as I know bhavv is also guilty of.
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Frustration because you lack the ability to comprehend a point of view that differs from your own, even after several pages of reasoned and solid explanation.

You not only sound childish, but uneducated and incapable of learning.
 
I think 100% certainty is a hard degree of guilt to achieve, but by no means impossible. Say you could link that person to the murder with DNA evidence, video evidence, witness evidence and a confession then you're perhaps on the right track. But life isn't simple.

But not only that I think people should be given a second chance, so if somebody kills somebody once they should serve the prison sentence and lets hope that say if it was just a crime of passion, they'll never do it again once they get out. But then if you could link them to another murder that has occurred since they were released then there is clearly an issue at hand and this person cannot honestly be trusted ever again. In those circumstance I'm more inclined to favour the death sentence because that person is no longer any use to society. They wind up being a leech of the system because they can't be let out of prison for want of endangering more peoples lives.

Paedophiles on the other hand, kill them all. Should never be trusted to be incorporated into society. I don't think you can change them either.
 
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