Bags are a European craze which seems to be edging it's way over here.
Bagged Audi A3 Family 5 door (Car porn inside)
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Bags are a European craze which seems to be edging it's way over here.
[TW]Fox;21583127 said:
so because a car has "low" power you think it doesnt need to stop fast? Or is it because you drive a BMW which are well known for having shoddy brakes as standard so you think its normal to not want stopping power?
HOWEVER, i do also see your point. Why Big brakes when this is OBVIOUSLY not a track weapon (or a B road hooning car). Stupid suspension, and a TDI. I guess the reason for bigger brakes is so, like most Audi owners they can tail gate on the M1, and still stop in time?
So im arguing both points in the same post. Oh i am odd.
so because a car has "low" power you think it doesnt need to stop fast? Or is it because you drive a BMW which are well known for having shoddy brakes as standard so you think its normal to not want stopping power?
HOWEVER, i do also see your point. Why Big brakes when this is OBVIOUSLY not a track weapon (or a B road hooning car). Stupid suspension, and a TDI. I guess the reason for bigger brakes is so, like most Audi owners they can tail gate on the M1, and still stop in time?
So im arguing both points in the same post. Oh i am odd.
Big brakes do not help the car stop faster.
nice pics! like the car too 
not a big fan of bags but it suits it point of this car was to achieve this and he achieved it end of story you like it or not its up to you no one is forcing you to like it no one cares if you hate it either 
not a big fan of bags but it suits it point of this car was to achieve this and he achieved it end of story you like it or not its up to you no one is forcing you to like it no one cares if you hate it either Under daily driving conditions bigger brakes will stop the car in an emergency just as fast as an OEM set of pads/rotors.
Isn't that your aim?
Under nearly all braking conditions you're likely to find yourself in, the limiting factor in braking is going to be your tyres.
What use is more braking torque when you can lock your wheels (or get the ABS working) with the standard brakes.
Unless you're braking hard from silly high speeds for long periods of time, I cannot see the point of these big brake kits.
For 20-30 minute sessions on track, some decent discs, but more importantly pads will usually do the job just as well.
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There is nothing wrong with the brakes on my car, they are excellent. Criticism about BMW brakes is around the fact they tend to get overwhelmed on track. I don't drive on track.
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[TW]Fox;21605602 said:All thats been directed at you is praise for the photography
Fantastic
[TW]Fox;21605602 said:All thats been directed at you is praise for the photography
Yeah, a few personal digs from people about my intentions but hey ho, water off a ducks back and all.
If one thing is clear, it's that the car is a talking point!
And arguing that air suspension is too low is like arguing that your dinner is too hot to eat.
Not at all,
It's like arguing your Sunday roast has been drenched in ketchup, very expensive ketchup that is.
I'm afraid that's a terrible comparison actually. Air ride allows you to choose exactly what height you'd like to run the car at, from stock to bump stops. It's no more wallowy than the standard springs nor is it more harsh.
In fact, there's a 500bhp track slack Impreza in the states being run on bags right now to develop them further and explore the opportunities of using them for performance applications to remove precisely this uninformed stigma.
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Here's a mustang in a Time Attack challenge coming 7th out of 79 cars running bags:
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How do they keep the suspension geometry at optimal angles / performance for the full range of suspension travel?
TBH airbags are for trucks and show cars, active suspension is what you you really want / need
my understanding is that they are not used in pure performance applications as they do offer flexibility of ride height and damping, but they weigh considerably more than regular dampers.
Focused track vehicles will have regular dampers set up at the right height and damping for maximum performance on track and these will be lighter than an equivalent air setup. Yes, they will be potentially too hard/low on the road but that's the compromise.
Focused track vehicles will have regular dampers set up at the right height and damping for maximum performance on track and these will be lighter than an equivalent air setup. Yes, they will be potentially too hard/low on the road but that's the compromise.
Obviously they're never going to be the first choice over a correctly set up coil-over, or even regular uprated shock and damper system for a track focussed car. That's not what I was getting at though - what I'm putting across is the point that bags aren't any 'worse' than a regular suspension set up AND can actually be used for more than just low'n'slow driving.
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