No meat today

LOL at some of the posts in this thread. Makes me think of this:

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KautoStar said:
I'm working, do that kinda makes that statement very stupid.

The bacon and sausage was lovely I had at break.
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Thankfully the world doesn't stop because Jesus crawled out of a cave with a hangover. :)
I'm also at work, although pretty quiet here today!

It's my right to eat bacon on a Friday.
 
Castiel said:
So it would be moral to kill humans for food.....:p

I don't think animals are religious, religion is a manifestation of our spirituality and I feel is a human social construct, but whether animals are spiritual or not is something else......given that many religions and belief systems attribute spiritual forms to animals it is worth consideration.
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That's why I said "little difference". ;)

However there are few animals that actually eat their own kind (AFAIK) so humans would be an exception there if we did eat other humans.

I can see where you're coming from there, spirituality and religion don't have to be the same thing, but you could then also argue that spiritualism is where morals came from rather than religion, which you suggest is basically made up by man, and I'd suggest to control the spiritualism.
 
arctine said:
Aside from the lack of any evidence supporting religion outside of the human race, do you really need me to tell you the difference between us and the rest of the animal kingdom?
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Yes apparently. I'd be interested to see why you think humans are that different to the rest of the animal kingdom.
 
Glaucus said:
yes please. As far as I can tell there's pretty much zero difference.
The old resonings are well, old and unfounded.

We've seen communication, self-awareness, intelegence, problem solving, tools

About the only difference I can think off the top of my head is ability to retain information or writing. Which of course most animals don't have dexterity needed.
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Grieving and dreaming are also two more characteristic we share with other animals.

By retaining information do you mean via writing/painting or do you mean passing down from generation to generation as the latter is also something we share.
 
Amp34 said:
That's why I said "little difference". ;)

However there are few animals that actually eat their own kind (AFAIK) so humans would be an exception there if we did eat other humans.

I can see where you're coming from there, spirituality and religion don't have to be the same thing, but you could then also argue that spiritualism is where morals came from rather than religion, which you suggest is basically made up by man, and I'd suggest to control the spiritualism.
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Religion is the manifestation of spirituality, often based on common ideals and the collective cultural and belief systems inherent in that, this would include the relative symbolism relating to human spirituality and moral manifestation.

Religion to some extent it the public face of the collective traditions, behaviours and culture of it's adherents.
 
Glaucus said:
I'm not being awkward, we also have little idea what the high animals talk about as we have no translation method. We also have dexterity and opposable thumbs which allow us to utilise our intelligence. Although I never asked due to the animals could have religion statements.

You think intelligence/memory tests on chimps/octopus and many other species are only done for survival :confused: these tests have little or no survival outcome.


Personally I think religion is based on a genetic spiritual need. Some sense it stronger some lesser. Some catogries that need in aliens or supernatural rather than religion, many in recent times fill that need with a false knowledge of science.
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You're right, mostly we have no idea what animals are communicating to each other.

Yes, opposable thumbs are the reason we could utilise our intelligence and at the moment, that is the key difference.

I don't know anything about how they test animals for intelligence.

If you're not disputing my surprised reaction to the mention of animals pertaining religion then I have no argument with you.

Nope, it's just another Friday, sat night and Monday
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Unlucky. That was specifically aimed at Andr3w though because iirc he's in the RAF like me so unless he's very unlucky, he should have today off.
 
Happy Good Friday to those who celebrate it. :)

Van Hellseek said:
It's a public holiday, so it's worth respecting it for the sake of you getting the day off work at least?
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Depends what you mean, Good Friday is a public holiday regardless of whether I choose to eat meat or not. As it happens I won't be but nor will I be eating fish either on this or any other day of the year.

Castiel said:
Bit can it develop without religion, you don't have to be religious to be moral....that is true, but what influences individual morality?

Can you prove or illustrate that morality has developed without religion in any human civilisation or tribe......anywhere?
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Bit of an unfair question isn't it - you're asking him to speculate and then saying that without proof it's not as valid. Religion does exist and it has shaped elements of the world for better or worse, whether we would have developed a sophisticated morality without it is purely theoretical - my suspicion would be that we would have had to if we wanted to form a useful functional society, a lot of the basic moral principles of religion are pretty fundamental to a society and sensible for that reason. I'd go further and suggest that in the scenario where religion doesn't exist for us to be having a similar debate about morality would have to mean principles of the same ilk would require to be in place so again it would come back to pre-requisite conditions being fulfilled to even have the discussion. However I can't support that view much further given that religion does exist so it's academic what the world would be like without religion.
 
Emlyn_Dewar said:
Thankfully the world doesn't stop because Jesus crawled out of a cave with a hangover. :)
I'm also at work, although pretty quiet here today!

It's my right to eat bacon on a Friday.
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And it is the right of the Catholic to not eat Bacon (or whatever meat) on a Friday.

As long as you retain the choice to enjoy bacon and another retains the choice not to then there is no issue is there....:)
 
Glaucus said:
Personally I think religion is based on a genetic spiritual need. Some sense it stronger some lesser. Some catogries that need in aliens or supernatural rather than religion, many in recent times fill that need with a false knowledge of science.
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Please elaborate on "false knowledge of science."
 
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