Are you still dead after Cremation?

5UB said:
Okay on a similar subject, this may make me sound stupid. However here it goes! :D

There are more humans on this planet compared to years and years ago, so is the mass of the earth getting heavier? People die and rot, but does that expand the earth in anyway? So essentially what I am asking, is the earth always growing in size?
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What about taking the earths resources in like oil,gas,iron ore,etc,if that makes any sence lol
 
5UB said:
Okay on a similar subject, this may make me sound stupid. However here it goes! :D

There are more humans on this planet compared to years and years ago, so is the mass of the earth getting heavier? People die and rot, but does that expand the earth in anyway? So essentially what I am asking, is the earth always growing in size?
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It's more a matter of the Earth's mass moving from one/many form(s) to (an)other(s). Aside from what the Earth picks up in foreign bodies and stellar dust, all that's there is there and it simply changes shape. It's in a constant state of flux with energy and matter changing from one form to another. (i.e. crops and animals being harvested, turned into food, waste turned into other products, food consumed by humans which produces reproductive material which eventually produces another human after a gestation period during which food is continued to be consumed.)

As far as my understanding goes, the Earth is certainly changing shape, but in relatively small amounts considering it's size, depending on the cause of the shift (tectonic activity, increase in population, extraction and conversion of natural resources, introduction of a foreign body, etc).
 
5UB said:
Okay on a similar subject, this may make me sound stupid. However here it goes! :D

There are more humans on this planet compared to years and years ago, so is the mass of the earth getting heavier? People die and rot, but does that expand the earth in anyway? So essentially what I am asking, is the earth always growing in size?
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It just means the ocean levels are going down. We are made of 90% water, don't you know. The perfect solution against melting ice caps. Make more humans.
 
Aid4nTheNoob said:
Now, this is going to sound like I'm trolling or something, and I'm pretty sure I'm going to get flamed for this, but here goes.

Ok, so, after you die, and you've been cremated and stuff, are you still considered dead?

What I mean is, is that "Death is the term used to describe the cessation of all biological functions that sustain a living organism." - Wikipedia.

So if you're cremated, and you have no body, then how can you be dead? Since being dead is a state of the body. No body = Not dead.

Does this make any sense? The reason I ask is because I just had a really stupid conversation about it earlier, and I'm bored, so I thought I'd ask you guys.

Hah...yeah. Can't wait to see some smart ass responses ;)
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No you don't make any sense, it should be obvious, if you have no body then you don't exist, those biological functions do not exist, so therefore under the terms of existance, you are dead (because you previously lived, hence alive).
 
How about this instead

Can you exist without sight, sound and feeling?

If yes, on the reverse, how can you prove that what you see, hear and feel is real?
 
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Aid4nTheNoob said:
But for consciousness to cease, you need a brain in the first place. During cremation, as you know, everything is turned to ash, so... you won't have a brain... therefore...yeah, you see where I'm going with this?
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No, I don't.

After cremation, what used to be your body is now some heat, some light and some ash. Even by the definition you posted, you're still dead. The biological processes that sustain life are still not happening.

Does this thread remind anyone else of the scene in the first episode of Red Dwarf in which Holly is trying to tell Lister that everyone is dead?

The question might be interesting if some kind of extremely accurate emulation of the person's mind is running on some kind of hypothetical computer after their body has been cremated. Then it might be debateable as to whether or not that person is dead. Dead and gone and their corpse burnt/rotted/turned into a diamond/recycled/stuffed and used as a doorstop? Dead.
 
Aid4nTheNoob said:
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Being "dead" is a state of your body. So if you have no body then you can't be dead ;)


Look, I know it's stupid... but it makes you think a little bit. Calm down alright? It's the internet. ;)
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If you look at it that way...it's still wrong :)

Cremation doesn't destroy a body in that sense. It just converts it to other things (heat, light, ash).
 
Angilion said:
The question might be interesting if some kind of extremely accurate emulation of the person's mind is running on some kind of hypothetical computer after their body has been cremated.
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ok, what is it that makes us all different? what is it that drives our body? what is the soul? think of it this way.a parked car is the same as another parked car.but when someone gets in it and starts it, then that car becomes alive. so what drives our body? every person alive on this planet is a different person. why? we are all made of the same stuff. i'm not religous but i do think there is an individual force of some kind driving us. so what happens to that force when our body dies? same as a car that no longer works.no one gets into it and drives it because it doesnt work. we get a new car.
 
Yawn. These discussions are always extremely tedious.

What is life? What is existence? etc

It's just asking questions you know no-one has an answer to, safe in the knowledge that whatever 'philosophical' words you splurge onto the keyboard can't be conclusively shown as 'wrong'.
 
vectisitch said:
ok, what is it that makes us all different? what is it that drives our body? what is the soul? think of it this way.a parked car is the same as another parked car.but when someone gets in it and starts it, then that car becomes alive. so what drives our body? every person alive on this planet is a different person. why? we are all made of the same stuff. i'm not religous but i do think there is an individual force of some kind driving us. so what happens to that force when our body dies? same as a car that no longer works.no one gets into it and drives it because it doesnt work. we get a new car.
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That force you speak of... is every single organ in our body working together.

The only reason we are in the bodies we are in is due to pure chance. The reason why that we are living, breathing, speaking and experiencing life right now is simply due to that. Chance.


Everything on this planet, perhaps even the universe, was made by pure chance.


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