Man claims stroke turned him gay

I think being a gay is due to environmental stressors. Not necessarily "bad" experiences or anything so stereotypical, but something that triggers it.

Diathesis stress model
 
genetics or hormonal / chemical factors caused by genetics or environmental factors this can be either pre or post natal Postnatal (though I would assume mostly pre)
 
I think being a gay is due to environmental stressors. Not necessarily "bad" experiences or anything so stereotypical, but something that triggers it.

Diathesis stress model

that would suggest genetis are not involved which is jsut daft... a genetic woman can have a mans body and vice-versa...
 
My next door neighbour from when I was growing up is a gay, he was camp from a young age and even in primary school people would joke that he was a gay. It was still a shock when he came out as a gay but this combined with another boy in my class to turned out to be a gay made me convinced its 100% genetic.

22 years ago Mrs Dimple was a child minder and had a few kids along with ours.
We had one baby who was the same age as my youngest and they basically grew up together until they left school.
At 6 months we knew there was something up with him because he was so girly and always after girls things.
When he could walk he would only play with girls things and when playing dress up he would wear girls clothes.
I would keep putting cars & guns in his hands but he would throw them down and go and push a pram.
There was a total of 6 kids in the house with 3 boys and 3 girls so he wasn't influenced by being around girls and the other boys acted like boys but he wouldn't join in.
I came home one day when he was about 6 and saw a little girl in my daughters bedroom and asked my wife who it was.
She said it was ....... and she didn't know he had dressed up so I made her go and make him change.
Of course when he was about 15 he came out.
This initial 6 year phase actually changed my homophobic views because along with work colleagues 'coming out' made me realise there was nothing anybody can do about it.
I always think of Southpark "Sparky, don't be gay" but Sparky is what he is.
 
'nobody really knows, but there is evidence to suggest it is at least somewhat influenced by genetics'.

That is 100% correct.

'Evidence suggests', not 'Evidence concludes', and its only 'somewhat influenced'.

Its entirely speculative and several yet unproven hypothesis only with extremely minimal scientific support, I've already read and studied the entire genetic side to homosexuality, and really there is no solid evidence to state that genetics 'definitely' contributes to sexuality.

that would suggest genetis are not involved which is jsut daft... a genetic woman can have a mans body and vice-versa...

Full physical hermaphroditism is an entirely different thing to mental sexuality and gender. The genetic pathways and physical phenotypes for hermaphroditism are fully understood, discovered and explained by genetics. Any genetical support for sexuality however is often completely ambiguous and contradictory to the rules and scientific understanding taught within genetics.

Basically, the genes that cause hermaphroditism are not in any way linked to sexuality.
 
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So do you suggest that being raised by straight parents promotes the development of straight children, and being raised by gay same sex parents promotes the development of gay children?

No, I don't. But I would suggest that it is possible that, if sexuality is indeed a sliding scale, then living in a more sexually open and accepting culture will mean you are more likely to accept you own homosexual feelings. Much like living in a less accepting culture you would be more likely to supress such feelings.
 
I think there are many reasons you can be attracted to the same sex (or both. or even neither!)

I personally believe that a very small percentage are genuinely "can't help it, born with it". I believe the vast majority are down to upbringing and/or social influences/experiences.

The brain is a very complicated beast, I wouldn't be even remotely surprised personally. Brain trauma (and illness) can vastly sway personality, this in my view is a complete non-story. It only serves to show (if true), how the brain affects behaviour (etc).
 
That is 100% correct.

'Evidence suggests', not 'Evidence concludes', and its only 'somewhat influenced'.

Its entirely speculative and several yet unproven hypothesis only with extremely minimal scientific support, I've already read and studied the entire genetic side to homosexuality, and really there is no solid evidence to state that genetics 'definitely' contributes to sexuality.

Full physical hermaphroditism is an entirely different thing to mental sexuality and gender. The genetic pathways and physical phenotypes for hermaphroditism are fully understood, discovered and explained by genetics. Any genetical support for sexuality however is often completely ambiguous and contradictory to the rules and scientific understanding taught within genetics.

Basically, the genes that cause hermaphroditism are not in any way linked to sexuality.

Are you sure you mean hermaphroditism or do you mean intersex or pseudohermaphroditism. You need to use the terms appropriately as all mean very different things. And your answer could make some of your points false. I would have thought studying this so extensively you would be more explicit.
 
No, I don't. But I would suggest that it is possible that, if sexuality is indeed a sliding scale, then living in a more sexually open and accepting culture will mean you are more likely to accept you own homosexual feelings. Much like living in a less accepting culture you would be more likely to supress such feelings.

So you don't believe that being around homosexual influence is more likely to result in a homosexual child?

I agree with your 2nd and 3rd sentences.
 
A Gay mate of mine once said something that has always stuck with me and could be very true for a lot of people "Depending how much you've drunk, you are only one drink away from doing something Gay" :D
 
So you don't believe that being around homosexual influence is more likely to result in a homosexual child?

I agree with your 2nd and 3rd sentences.

I have no idea, I would guess that it would make someone less hungup about their sexuality, but who knows, moody teenagers can take anything badly if they try hard enough! :D
 
Are you sure you mean hermaphroditism or do you mean intersex or pseudohermaphroditism. You need to use the terms appropriately as all mean very different things. And your answer could make some of your points false. I would have thought studying this so extensively you would be more explicit.

Pseudohermaphroditism, but its quite a pain to spell out entirely.
 
Pseudohermaphroditism, but its quite a pain to spell out entirely.

We don't use that word anymore and have not for quite some time. We lump it all now under the term - intersex. If you learning revolved around stuff that used that term then you have most likely been influenced by Money and all that nonsense. So you'll have discount most of that stuff and most of say Ransley's publications and look at the more recent work.
 
A Gay mate of mine once said something that has always stuck with me and could be very true for a lot of people "Depending how much you've drunk, you are only one drink away from doing something Gay" :D

lol, in general my take on being gay or not would come down to, choice, nothing more or less.

When you look at straight people alone, you can ask 10 different men and find that, shown 20 different women, each man has an individual taste, finding some of the women repulsive, some ok, some stunning. So what can we conclude, each one is born with different gene's which determine what they find attractive?

What about anyone and art, one person can find a painting fantastic and deeply moving, another person might look at it and think its half a dead sheep and not art in the slightest.

Why do we not question why man A loves a big boobed, tall blonde, while man B loves a ginger midget with a huge ass and no boobs, but we have to find some other reason that man C finds another man attractive?

Simple fact is, people grow up with different tastes in EVERYTHING, including what kind of women you like, why on earth is anyone surprised that this extends to if you like men as well as or instead of women, what else could possibly need explaining?

Is it that more people are gay now than ever before, possibly, with the amount people have hidden it throughout the millenia its literally impossible to know if a higher percentage of people are gay now than 500 years ago.

Would that have anything to do with instinct, possibly. Most animals instinct is to procreate and strengthen the pack, however the longer we live without "needing" to increase the population the less that instinct might drive us, that doesn't mean people weren't attracted to men before, just that they felt or realised the need to procreate as more important.

Can the guy in questions tastes have changed based on a stroke, can't see why not. Medical conditions have caused all kinds of changes in people before, could he have always been gay, sure, is there a chance the stroke did it, sure, is there a chance Stoke did it, sure.
 
We don't use that word anymore and have not for quite some time. We lump it all now under the term - intersex. If you learning revolved around stuff that used that term then you have most likely been influenced by Money and all that nonsense. So you'll have discount most of that stuff and most of say Ransley's publications and look at the more recent work.

Unfortunately it was the term used by my lecturer, whether correct or incorrect.

She was a 50-60 odd year old woman and very knowledgeable, but was most likely still teaching using the out of date terminology.
 
Mrs Dimple looked over my shoulder and thought the title was "Man claims Stoke turned him gay" :D
I said we don't have the Gays in Stoke yet, they haven't reached here from the South.
 
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