david cameron ''children should stand up''

Haven't read this thread but i am going to guess its full of:

1) People who went to state school and did not do this, expressing outrage
2) People who went to private schools and did do this, going what hoe jolly fine idea i say

Either way, neither group will actually be weighing the draw backs/benefits (you know, like, science?) which makes the whole 'debate' utterly pointless.
 
Efour2 said:
I think this thread is highlighting why kids have no respect these days.

We did it at school in the 90s

I cant believe they wouldn't do it now days....

I always respected my teachers... more than my parents in some cases. Never back chat a teacher. then i wanted to learn, i wasn't a scrote.
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this post is so on the money. Its exactly why schools fail today. Lack or respect and discipline and a generation of scrotes who thinks the country 'owes' them something for nothing and that respect is earned by walking the streets as part of some 'crew' fighting re-creations of gang battles from compton in the 80's
 
If you educate children effectively, within schools that are disciplined and with solid education structures then you provide them with knowledge that allows them to be effective adults, with rational minds and the ability to see right from wrong and to strive to be better people and take ownership of their own lives. To imply that showing a little courtesy to a teach will breed automated adults that won't say boo to a goose or won't have any reasoning ability to question or confront is utterly preposterous.
 
BunnyKillBot said:
Haven't read this thread but i am going to guess its full of:

1) People who went to state school and did not do this, expressing outrage
2) People who went to private schools and did do this, going what hoe jolly fine idea i say

Either way, neither group will actually be weighing the draw backs/benefits (you know, like, science?) which makes the whole 'debate' utterly pointless.
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Well you are right on one thing, you didn't read the thread.
 
BunnyKillBot said:
Haven't read this thread but i am going to guess its full of:

1) People who went to state school and did not do this, expressing outrage
2) People who went to private schools and did do this, going what hoe jolly fine idea i say

Either way, neither group will actually be weighing the draw backs/benefits (you know, like, science?) which makes the whole 'debate' utterly pointless.
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no..... its full of

1. People who actually grew up knowing what basic respect and courtesy was
2. Chavs of the 21st century who have no idea what respect is

it is not about toffs and state schoolers..... its about the basic fundamentals of respect and discipline, the 2 very things missing from todays youth
 
Housey said:
If you educate children effectively, within schools that are disciplined and with solid education structures then you provide them with knowledge that allows them to be effective adults, with rationale minds and the ability to see right from wrong and to strive to be better people and take ownership of their own lives. To imply that showing a little courtesy to a teach will breed automated adults that won't say boo to a goose or won't have any reasoning ability to question or confront is utterly preposterous.
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Indeed. I am quite saddened by some of the opinions in this thread. I hope my son doesn't feel this way about respect, courtesy and the level of behaviour expected of him.
 
wildman said:
no..... its full of

1. People who actually grew up knowing what basic respect and courtesy was
2. Chavs of the 21st century who have no idea what respect is

it is not about toffs and state schoolers..... its about the basic fundamentals of respect and discipline, the 2 very things missing from todays youth
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...many of todays youth, not all I'd suggest.
 
Castiel said:
Indeed. I am quite saddened by some of the opinions in this thread. I hope my son doesn't feel this way about respect, courtesy and the level of behaviour expected of him.
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He won't, you are obviously a good parent, and that helps a lot. We teach amongst other things, our children to respect everyone, and to stand up to bullies, it works well.
 
Dimple said:
They all have the same attitude as you and that's why we're in a mess with our children.
Tut tut, shame on you (and them).
Modern day values make me sick.
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'modern day' values (if that is what they are), have no value and that is the problem.

Personally I think modern day values are the same as they have always been, it is just that some simply do not have any values.
 
Housey said:
I suggest you read what I wrote, it isn't about earning respect, its about children showing courtesy to adults, I made that point clearly. I told you why your point was rubbish and you seem to be aligning respect with not being able to speak your mind, which again is very simplistic. You suggest you've had lots of managers and some were ****, but never been a manager or leader it would seem?
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Standing when a teacher or parent walks into a room is courtesy? That is idiotic. Not wasting yours and your teachers time whenever someone walks in the room is a courtesy. The more time standing up, the less time working.

Housey said:
To be clear, teaching common courtesy and educating and defining respect in young people will not breed generations of people who never question, it never has and never will and to imply that is idiotic.
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This is entirely about control. Force the children to stand up as a sign of respect no matter how bad the teacher is. Make them fear the "real discipline".
To think this didn't breed a generation or two of people (mostly) afraid to question there "betters" is simply daft. Either you were too busy standing up so much in history class or you simply were not very good at it. We went on for a very long time without any employee rights (or even human rights) exactly because of the forced faux respect, and the fear of "real discipline".
 
How can some of you say no to it during school? It shows respect to their elders and the position they hold.

You must have been brought up by the scum of the earth to say no to neglecting respect to your elders when you were at school.
 
mollymoo said:
He won't, you are obviously a good parent, and that helps a lot. We teach amongst other things, our children to respect everyone, and to stand up to bullies, it works well.
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We always have exceptional reports from his school and the various clubs he attends.....we have always taught him that the level of freedom and trust he recieves is dependent on the amount of respect, courtesy and behaviour he displays.

It seems to work, although he is now entering puberty so we have hormones to contend with....:eek:
 
Castiel said:
'modern day' values (if that is what they are), have no value and that is the problem.

Personally I think modern day values are the same as they have always been, it is just that some simply do not have any values.
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Old day values = When we were kids we didn't dare tell our parents we'd had the cane or detention because we'd get more

Modern day values = Kids tell their parents a teacher said something and the parent goes to the school threatening the teacher beacause their child is an angel
 
Dimple said:
Old day values = When we were kids we didn't dare tell our parents we'd had the cane or detention because we'd get more

Modern day values = Kids tell their parents a teacher said something and the parent goes to the school threatening the teacher beacause their child is an angel
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I actually loled a lot reading this, not because its funny, because it is so true and is why the education system and teaching profession in this country are so broken.
 
Dimple said:
Old day values = When we were kids we didn't dare tell our parents we'd had the cane or detention because we'd get more

Modern day values = Kids tell their parents a teacher said something and the parent goes to the school threatening the teacher beacause their child is an angel
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I agree, we didn't have the cane at school, but it would sure have been beneficial.

You wouldn't have lower class thugs running about the streets if they knew their place in society. (At the bottom)


Education was respected back then, it seems now if you work hard and earn a decent living, people think less of you. Makes me laugh when you see them working in Maccys now.
 
Castiel said:
We always have exceptional reports from his school and the various clubs he attends.....we have always taught him that the level of freedom and trust he recieves is dependent on the amount of respect, courtesy and behaviour he displays.

It seems to work, although he is now entering puberty so we have hormones to contend with....:eek:
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Puberty. I have two girls, i'm really not looking forward to that stage. I might get a job abroad for a few years around then.
 
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