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wut? Explain that because I don't get what you are saying.

you called in Africa to represent that bottom layer on your pyramid, now in the uk if you earn under 250k you can do you're whole "whaa I'm the oppressed 99%" lark but if you're including Africa and the rest of the improvised world you can't pull that **** any more as you're not, you're the rich ******* taking their food and oppressing them.

You're then the "we eat for you" level of that pyramid.
 
you called in Africa to represent that bottom layer on your pyramid, now in the uk if you earn under 250k you can do you're whole "whaa I'm the oppressed 99%" lark but if you're including Africa and the rest of the improvised world you can't pull that **** any more as you're not, you're the rich ******* taking their food and oppressing them.

You're then the "we eat for you" level of that pyramid.

But I am not doing it from a "whaa I'm the oppressed 99%", in fact, I am well aware of the privilege I have growing up white, male and in a first world country. Are you saying that because I am not the most worst off I can't complain about the system? Even if I was miraculously placed at the top 1% of the 1% by being elected I would still do and fight for what is right.

I really don't get your point, you seem smarter than that so can you try explaining it again?
 
There's nothing wrong with privatisation. In fact it should work in theory because larger companies must suffer from dis-economies of scale. The problem we have is that large private companies are able to compete because they can cut costs by being dodgy - yet our politicians aren't really interested in sorting it.

If we had a liberal, free market economy properly legislated for by parliament then we would have a great deal more medium sized companies, and a great deal less monolithic corporations, blundering on wastefully.
 
But I am not doing it from a "whaa I'm the oppressed 99%", in fact, I am well aware of the privilege I have growing up white, male and in a first world country. Are you saying that because I am not the most worst off I can't complain about the system? Even if I was miraculously placed at the top 1% of the 1% by being elected I would still do and fight for what is right.

I really don't get your point, you seem smarter than that so can you try explaining it again?

All we need to look at for how well privatisation works is the classic example of the Trains.

Thanks to capitalism the people with the money and capital have managed to trick intelligent and good people into thinking that it is perfectly OK to privatise profits but socialise losses and are laughing as they rape the 99% for billions. That combined with the naive just world theory most people seem to bandy about, the whole thing is incredibly depressing. Combat Liberalism.



You say they not we.
 
Explain again? You are not posting clearly, I do not understand your point.

In saying "they rape the 99% for billions..." you are implying that you are not in the 1% that do - Tefal is suggesting that being a white male from a first world country that you're in the 1% of the most privileged regardless of your personal actions. That doesn't mean that you necessarily have anything to do with exploitation but you're not among the 99% of the most unfortunate.

I'm not convinced by the point but I think that what he's driving at.
 
In saying "they rape the 99% for billions..." you are implying that you are not in the 1% that do - Tefal is suggesting that being a white male from a first world country that you're in the 1% of the most privileged regardless of your personal actions. That doesn't mean that you necessarily have anything to do with exploitation but you're not among the 99% of the most unfortunate.

I'm not convinced by the point but I think that what he's driving at.

And as I said, I don't understand how that has any baring on anything?

Even if I was king of England I would still feel the way I do, because I am correct, not because of my personal circumstances. I am a wealthy, cismale, educated, white man in a major town in a 1st world country, I am well aware of my vast privilege, I was born into it by and large, that does not mean I should not feel for those not as fortunate as I beneath me nor does it mean those that I deem responsible above me who I happen to share a societal place with.
 
I am well aware of my vast privilege, I was born into it by and large, that does not mean I should not feel for those not as fortunate as I beneath me nor does it mean those that I deem responsible above me who I happen to share a societal place with.

But bad things can be caused by acts or the omission of an act. If you are not actively addressing the issue then by your omission to do so you could be just as culpable.
 
But bad things can be caused by acts or the omission of an act. If you are not actively addressing the issue then by your omission to do so you could be just as culpable.

Who says I am not acting? Am I supposed to starve myself to death in solidarity with the very bottom? I was born into my privilege, I, like people not born into such, had no choice in the matter. I am going to use it as best I can to make the world a better place.

That would be like claiming that a innocent man on death row some what agreed that he needs to die because he ate the meals provided to him by the prison service. Basically a really stupid thing to claim.
 
Who says I am not acting? Am I supposed to starve myself to death in solidarity with the very bottom? I was born into my privilege, I, like people not born into such, had no choice in the matter. I am going to use it as best I can to make the world a better place.

That would be like claiming that a innocent man on death row some what agreed that he needs to die because he ate the meals provided to him by the prison service. Basically a really stupid thing to claim.

So you used your luck to have a good education to employ that education to actively:

go abroad in a humanitarian capacity and making a difference
contributing a substantial portion of your income
etc

Because donating a few quid here and there and posting on some forums and making some pretty statements in my eyes classes as an omission to make a difference. In which case you are just as bad because you have used that opportunity to exactly nothing.

If however you are giving away half your earnings or when not posting on here are performing humanitarian roles in Central Africa then I stand thoroughly corrected. Plenty of the "elite" you are so critical of meet those criteria.
 
So you used your luck to have a good education to employ that education to actively:

go abroad in a humanitarian capacity and making a difference
contributing a substantial portion of your income
etc

Because donating a few quid here and there and posting on some forums and making some pretty statements in my eyes classes as an omission to make a difference. In which case you are just as bad because you have used that opportunity to exactly nothing.

If however you are giving away half your earnings or when not posting on here are performing humanitarian roles in Central Africa then I stand thoroughly corrected. Plenty of the "elite" you are so critical of meet those criteria.

First off there are lots more things one can be doing to combat neo facist capitalism, a lot more than charity. Charity does not work.

The virtues of the poor may be readily admitted, and are much to be regretted. We are often told that the poor are grateful for charity. Some of them are, no doubt, but the best amongst the poor are never grateful. They are ungrateful, discontented, disobedient, and rebellious. They are quite right to be so.

Charity they feel to be a ridiculously inadequate mode of partial restitution, or a sentimental dole, usually accompanied by some impertinent attempt on the part of the sentimentalist to tyrannise over their private lives. Why should they be grateful for the crumbs that fall from the rich man’s table? They should be seated at the board, and are beginning to know it.

As for being discontented, a man who would not be discontented with such surroundings and such a low mode of life would be a perfect brute. Disobedience, in the eyes of anyone who has read history, is man’s original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion. Sometimes the poor are praised for being thrifty. But to recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less. For a town or country labourer to practise thrift would be absolutely immoral. Man should not be ready to show that he can live like a badly-fed animal. He should decline to live like that, and should either steal or go on the rates, which is considered by many to be a form of stealing.

As for begging, it is safer to beg than to take, but it is finer to take than to beg. No: a poor man who is ungrateful, unthrifty, discontented, and rebellious, is probably a real personality, and has much in him. He is at any rate a healthy protest.

As for the virtuous poor, one can pity them, of course, but one cannot possibly admire them. They have made private terms with the enemy, and sold their birthright for very bad pottage. They must also be extraordinarily stupid. I can quite understand a man accepting laws that protect private property, and admit of its accumulation, as long as he himself is able under those conditions to realise some form of beautiful and intellectual life. But it is almost incredible to me how a man whose life is marred and made hideous by such laws can possibly acquiesce in their continuance.

The system needs to change, simply feeding into it as best you can does nothing. The game is set up crooked, better to smash the game than play it.
 
First off there are lots more things one can be doing to combat neo facist capitalism, a lot more than charity. Charity does not work.

The system needs to change, simply feeding into it as best you can does nothing. The game is set up crooked, better to smash the game than play it.

So we have established you have actively done nothing.

You have personally not done anything of significance to better the situation of those unfortunate 99%. Therefore, in effect you are a champagne socialist and by omissions of any acts are no better than those you seek to castigate.
 
So we have established you have actively done nothing.

You have personally not done anything of significance to better the situation of those unfortunate 99%. Therefore, in effect you are a champagne socialist and by omissions of any acts are no better than those you seek to castigate.

Please explain how you have established I have done nothing before you jump to such a wild conclusion. Bare in mind my location and its trend for starting organised disorder that later on went to sweep the nation.
 
Please explain how you have established I have done nothing before you jump to such a wild conclusion. Bare in mind my location and its trend for starting organised disorder that later on went to sweep the nation.

Because I gave you ample opportunity to explain what actual things you had personally done to benefit the 99% and you completely failed to list one single thing.
 
Because I gave you ample opportunity to explain what actual things you had personally done to benefit the 99% and you completely failed to list one single thing.

Right, so my lack of wanting to brag on here about what I do and do not, means that I therefore do nothing?

Does that logic extend to everything in life? Because I don't post about what food I routinely eat I must eat nothing?
 
Right, so my lack of wanting to brag on here about what I do and do not, means that I therefore do nothing?

Does that logic extend to everything in life? Because I don't post about what food I routinely eat I must eat nothing?

So again you can't actually detail anything and are choosing to obfuscate matters.
 
Again I ask, how does that equal you coming to the conclusion I therefore do nothing?

Quite simple really hurfdurf. You are moaning about the elite and their treatment of the 99% but you are part of the 1% because you have not really done anything to better the lives of the 99%.

When challenged on two occasions you failed to do so. You say you shouldn't be expect to brag: quite correct but that has never stopped you from bragging on these forums repeatedly about what you do and that you would always "stand and bang". Therefore, I don't really attribute humility as a trait you hold in spades. Moreover, as someone who claims they are not part of the cause I would expect you to defend that assertion.

So with no evidence to the contrary what can I assume but that you are part of the 1%. Doesn't mean you are a bad person or lacking in empathy for the situation many in the world find themselves in but don't kid yourself you are better than the "elite" because when you are not part of the solution you are effectively propagating the problem.
 
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