Well allow me another observation. You're posting an awful lot for someone who is not interested.
hospital gave me gastroenteritis
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Well allow me another observation. You're posting an awful lot for someone who is not interested.
You're at it again. I'm not interested in an argument with you about hospitals where you'll put words in my mouth. I'm still interested in what other people have to say, and I'm still watching the thread. I'm hoping to explain to you why I'm refusing to bite.. but it seems you're trying to put words in my mouth again and turn it into an argument.
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Well it is Freedom Of Information and I had to give figures for a newspaper the other week.
Our Trust, which is one of the biggest in the country, had about 150 in 2011 which was an increase by about 25 from the previous year.
About 1 in 10 actually turn into a Letter Of Claim which means Trust Solicitors and the NHSLA get involved however I don't how many of them win their cases because I don't keep score.
That doesn't sound a lot but if 15/20 go to court and the other 130 have proved not to be negligent then £1000s and £1000s of taxpayers money have been wasted.
It is my opinion that the OP would be wasting his time because he didn't really suffer and didn't lose any money.
HAI claims that I've dealt with are quite serious where people have gone on to really suffer or even die and of course it was proved it happened because of negligence.
I'll re-iterate what I said in a post above.
To eradicate HAI's every patient would have to be led into their own private room with staff wearing PPE's (Personal Protective Equipment) which also includes Paramedics picking them up from wherever.
While life saving techniques are going on with all staff wearing PPE's, pathology tests would be carried out to establish if they have any community HAI's.
Only then can that patient be allowed into a communal ward/waiting area and relatives never allowed to visit unless wearing PPE's and of course no bringing of goodies/newpapers.
That's not going to happen.
hospitals are disgusting these days, soon as you walk in you hear screaming kids like its some kind of zoo and people on crutchs and stuff, i totally avoid going to hospital even if i am dieing with a heart attack , you will have to pray hard when you're days are over guys or try get a private hosptial, the world has to many people now and they cant handle the shear volume of retardedness that goes in them ..
That's a very interesting post, it's always good in these threads when someone chips in who knows what they're on about.
To make sure I've understood you correctly, you're confirming that most of the problem is visitors not following procedure correctly... right?
And that going to a solicitor is not the right way to solve it...
I think earlier you said contacting the hospital?
Is your advice going forward that the best thing to do to make sure that the hospital isn't put to expense unduly, but to still make sure that unclean wards/places get picked up on is to telephone and complain or write and complain?
Are you saying you had a heart attack and avoided going to hospital or that you wouldn't go to hospital if you had a heart attack because of screaming children?
Your post makes no sense.
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Oh my god! People with crutches in a hospital! And children! I don't want to live on this planet anymore!
That's right a private hospital is where you need to be whilst having a heart attack, they'll call 999 and send you to A&E, but you could have a nice cup of tea whilst waiting for an ambulance.
Is that a joke?
I'm not surprised you got conjunctivitis if you has metal stuck in your eye.
Inside a hospital you say? That's absolutely mental.
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1) I didn't say the problem is visitors, the problem is everybody and we haven't got the money to give every patient walking through the door barrier nursing care and we haven't got the money to put everybody in Protective clothing.
2) No I don't think it's the way to solve that particular issue. The OP got a tummy bug but absolutely zero proof where he got it from. The OP didn't lose any time at work and didn't have recurring health problems because of it.
3) See above
4) If the OP is not happy he can ring the hospital and talk to PALS and if still not happy talk to Complaints. This will see the complaint put on a DATIX database and a record kept of the incident. If the OP really wants to push it he can pay a fee to see his hospital notes which should contain the Doctors saying the bug was contracted in the hospital.
Once again you are saying 'dirty wards' but that isn't the problem, the problem is not having the money to isolate every patient from each other and give them their own nursing staff.
To be clear I'm not saying dirty wards is the problem here, or even a big part of the problem.
My concern is that it should be recorded.. when someone gets a secondary infection it should be noted so that if there are a large number in any particular place then it can be flagged up. As I've said more than once in the thread all that can be done is mitigation - but having been to several hospitals in the past couple of years I've seen some good and some bad cleaning. The last one I was at had about a foot of black mould from the floor going up the shower wall.
My concern is that it should be recorded.. when someone gets a secondary infection it should be noted so that if there are a large number in any particular place then it can be flagged up. As I've said more than once in the thread all that can be done is mitigation - but having been to several hospitals in the past couple of years I've seen some good and some bad cleaning. The last one I was at had about a foot of black mould from the floor going up the shower wall.
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It is recorded over and over again and our own trust employed its own Infection Control Data Analyst expert who gets involved in every case.
Even the bed numbers where the infections take place are recorded and nice graphs of exactly where patients have been.
However I can only speak about my Trust.
I even won a Nursing Times Award for an Infection Control DVD I made in 2010 so I know a little bit about the stuff (and I mean little).
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Oh do learn how to spell and use correct grammar
. When you have then come back, its much easier for all of us to interpret your lame posts and threads when you have done so.
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The Media have done us no favours at all because most people think MRSA, C-Diff, Norovirus etc are exclusively caught in hospitals.
There is also the unknown about HAI's and to give an example in around 2009 a new technique for HAI's was introduced called Barrier Nursing (this was used for other stuff but the first time it was used for HAI's).
Basically a patient has the runs and they are immediately put in a sideroom with staff who wear Protective Clothes and are not let out until pathology say they are clear.
Even in the last 4 years I've watched a team of 4 Infection control Nurses turn into 12 with their own dedicated Data Analyst and admin support.
in 2010 it was also noticed that virtually every Nurse did Aseptic Technique different (removing a bandage and replacing one and disposing of the materials etc).
I was given the task to make THE Aseptic Technique DVD that every Nurse worldwide could follow and it has gone global apparently.
It took ages because everything I filmed had to be viewed by scores of Professionals and I would have to go back and do things over and over again.
Even at the very final viewing in front of about 250 Health Professionals one Matron put her hand up because of something she noticed and I had to go and change that part (she saw a bit of sellotape fall to the floor).
Still had those key parts touched in that early sample you posted on here though.
As further information any infection whether viral or bacterial will only be found by going through the labs in some sample eg sputum, stool etc. Therefore, it is microbiology and virology (usually the same department) who will flag a repeated pattern to infection control personnel although such personnel tend to fall under the umbrella of Microbiology management structures.
It is far too simplistic to blame HAI on visitors. Most HAI are UTIs therefore caused in the main by catheterisation where it is impossible to get someone completely clean, then you have respiratory infection which would include events after intubation in emergencies (again nothing you can really do anything about), etc. So with those two example we have microbes from one part of a patient infecting another part etc.
And barrier nursing is something that I have seen done since the early 80's.
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But like I said in the other post, wan't it done for other stuff and recently bought in for Infection Control?
That's what I was told anyway?
I think the concept have been around since Miss Nightingale to be honest for the control of TB etc. I think in modern times it took off due on two tangents: firstly patient protection during the use of immune suppressing agents eg post transplant and in the treatment of cancer - so middle 50's and secondly during the HIV bombshell in the 80's. To it's current state where it probably most refined in dealing with complicated conditions like ADA-SCID.