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7870 which brand which version?

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i haven't dipped into the gpu market for a long time but i've got my sights on the HD 7870 for a numerous researched reasons.


Which brand/cooler would you guys recommend. my case layout will consist of 1 top case fan, 1 back, 1 side fan and cpu fan blowing out to the back.

the side case fan can either blow in or out air.



Also is OC version worth it these days, back in the past i've had problems with OC versions but in recent times, has the reliability improved?

also note: i refuse to buy from XFX due to bad past experience.

atm it's either the sapphire or HIS.

Thanks
 
Looking at the prices, I'd say a 7850 or 7950 would be a better buy.

If you really must get a 7870 though I'd say either of these 3:
VTX - http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-006-VX&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=411
MSI - http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-153-MS&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=411
PowerColor - http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-157-PC&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=411
Simply, because I think OCUK handle warranty claims on your behalf on those ones, so if anything was to go wrong, you'd only have to send it to them. Plus the last two come with decent coolers and overclocks.

Really though, the 7850 and 7950 offer better value IMO.
 
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I'd second going for a cheaper but better clocker 7850 or more expensive 7950.

I think they're still selling 7950's at £300, so at that price it's a good deal.
From what I've read, they generally OC to about the same levels. It's just that the extra cores the 7870 has only equates to ~5% better performance, which most people agree isn't worth the extra 50-70 quid over the 7850.
 
hhmmm, the preformance difference from the 7850 to 7870 is high, so to oc the card to the 7870 will require some serious overclocking but surely if you're willing to clock the 7850 to that extreme, you can apply the same theory to the 7870 which can clocked much further than it's default speed.

In any case i don't plan to overclock my card at the moment, maybe when it gets older.

as i said i haven't been here for a while. do GPUs these days come with their own Overclocking software suites which allow you to change the voltages than compared to the 'bad' old days where you had to flash the bios. if this is so, the OC editions of the cards are effectively useless?

the only good they were before was that they changed the voltages already so you didn't need to flash the bios to achieve higher overclocks.

also only the cheap low quality 7950s are around the £300 mark, sure they all may run the same fps, but fps is not the only preformance criteria; temperature,noise,Bios quality and my favorite resonance. Cheap 5870s squelled like a B***h at high framerate due to low quality components.

Also if anyone can point me to a Reliable source site comparing Oc'ed 7850 & 7870. my internet has became unstable thus speeds to slow to do indepth google search into this.
 
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hhmmm, the preformance difference from the 7850 to 7870 is high, so to oc the card to the 7870 will require some serious overclocking but surely if you're willing to clock the 7850 to that extreme, you can apply the same theory to the 7870 which can clocked much further than it's default speed.

In any case i don't plan to overclock my card at the moment, maybe when it gets older.

as i said i haven't been here for a while. do GPUs these days come with their own Overclocking software suites which allow you to change the voltages than compared to the 'bad' old days where you had to flash the bios. if this is so, the OC editions of the cards are effectively useless?

the only good they were before was that they changed the voltages already so you didn't need to flash the bios to achieve higher overclocks.

also only the cheap low quality 7950s are around the £300 mark, sure they all may run the same fps, but fps is not the only preformance criteria; temperature,noise,Bios quality and my favorite resonance. Cheap 5870s squelled like a B***h at high framerate due to low quality components.

Also if anyone can point me to a Reliable source site comparing Oc'ed 7850 & 7870. my internet has became unstable thus speeds to slow to do indepth google search into this.

The 'large' difference between stock 7870's and stock 7850's, comes from the fact 7870's stock clock is higher. This however, doesn't mean the 7870's clock further, and when both cards are at the same clock speed, the difference in performance solely comes from the fact the 7870 has 1280 cores and the 7850 has 1024 cores.

That minor difference equates to very little in games, and considering most 7850's can be OC'ed to match and exceed 7870's stock clocks, at stock voltage, it's really difficult to recommend buying one.

Regarding OC software, you pick which program you want to use, install it, move a few sliders around (voltage, core clock, memory clock), click apply and enjoy the performance boost. Nothing gets flashed to the BIOS AFAIK, all the changes are made in the software and are 100% reversible. And this is another reason why you'd want the 7850 over the 7870.

From what I've read, you literally drag the slider up to 1000MHz, click apply, and you've essentially matched a stock 7870. Again, even though the 7870 starts at 1000MHz, doesn't mean it'll OC further than the 7850, they'll both max out at 1200-1300MHz.

Lastly, in my experience at least, coil whine or 'squeeling' is a really hit-and-miss phenomenon. Just an example of my experience over the years:
LeadTek 8600GT (fairly cheap card) - no whine
XFX 4850 (reference model) - whine
Sapphire 5850 xtreme (cheap, low end version 5850) - no whine
GTX 470 SOC (literally the highest-end GTX 470 you can buy) - whine

Since then, I've had reference 5850, GTX 570, GTX 480 and 3 5770's, all of which exibited whine when running Kombuster/furmark, but none during gaming or at idle. For this reason, I'd say not buying the cheapest (reference) versions of a card, because you're worried about coil whine, would be a bit silly.

There's a thread on here where someone did the comparisons between a 7850 & 7870 at similar clocks, I'll post back if I find it.

EDIT:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=21625268&postcount=37

Hope this helps mate
 
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Looking at the prices, I'd say a 7850 or 7950 would be a better buy.

If you really must get a 7870 though I'd say either of these 3:
VTX - http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-006-VX&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=411
MSI - http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-153-MS&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=411
PowerColor - http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-157-PC&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=411
Simply, because I think OCUK handle warranty claims on your behalf on those ones, so if anything was to go wrong, you'd only have to send it to them. Plus the last too come with decent coolers and overclocks.

Really though, the 7850 and 7950 offer better value IMO.

Whilst OcUK still does handle the warranty, if you buy from a bad brand, then the RMA time will take a long time eg a month. I'd get the MSI.
 
hhmmm, the preformance difference from the 7850 to 7870 is high, so to oc the card to the 7870 will require some serious overclocking but surely if you're willing to clock the 7850 to that extreme, you can apply the same theory to the 7870 which can clocked much further than it's default speed.

Unfortunately this isn't how it works.

The 7870 doesn't overclock any more than a 7850 (they are the same gpu core), they both seem to top out around 1200 (good cards will get another 50MHz or so) on the same volts.

The difference you see in benchmarks in reviews is down to the 7850 being gimped with a rather low 860MHz stock clock, while the 7870 enjoys a much more reasonable 1GHz stock clock.

The 7850 will do 1050MHz on stock volts, it's just a case of moving a slider to the right, and bam you have 7870 speed for all of 10 seconds worth of work.

When both cards are fully OC'd you are looking at about a 5-8% performance difference clock for clock.

Personally, and many others feel the same, I don't think that 8% is worth the extra £60+.

Not to mention with the newly reduced 7950's @ £299 then a 7870 at £269+ looks a really bad deal.

Go with either a 7850 and OC it, or pay the few quid extra and go for a 7950.
 
Unfortunately this isn't how it works.

The 7870 doesn't overclock any more than a 7850 (they are the same gpu core), they both seem to top out around 1200 (good cards will get another 50MHz or so) on the same volts.

The difference you see in benchmarks in reviews is down to the 7850 being gimped with a rather low 860MHz stock clock, while the 7870 enjoys a much more reasonable 1GHz stock clock.

The 7850 will do 1050MHz on stock volts, it's just a case of moving a slider to the right, and bam you have 7870 speed for all of 10 seconds worth of work.

When both cards are fully OC'd you are looking at about a 5-8% performance difference clock for clock.

Personally, and many others feel the same, I don't think that 8% is worth the extra £60+.

Not to mention with the newly reduced 7950's @ £299 then a 7870 at £269+ looks a really bad deal.

Go with either a 7850 and OC it, or pay the few quid extra and go for a 7950.

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The 7850 or 7950 are the way to go. If your budget is holding you back from the 7950 then the 7850 will serve you well. The 7870, as I see it, is lost desperately trying to find its place and at 264+ it's not going to happen.
 
i totally agree now.

i don't know; £300 is quite abit and how the 7850 offers a much better bang for buck.

i'll probabley go purchase a 7850.

any quiet GPU recomendations?
 
I cant seam to find many relevant reviews on aftermarket 7850s. They are all from the era of 1050MHz limits so all have the same conclusion of reaching the same OC levels as ref design. Interested in how they differ in noise levels when @ 1150 - 1300MHz levels but that seams like difficult information to obtain.

Ive got a sapphire 7850 coming soon, hope its good lol. heard bad things about a lot of other partners but its all hear say so hard to know what to believe.
 
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