What is the historical evidence for Jesus?

DampCat said:
The fact that Jesus spans the three Abrahamic religions gives weight to at least the idea that some fella named/described as Jesus existed. Also to Muhummad, Noah, Isaac, Ishmael, Abraham and Shem, at least. I'm sure there's more but my knowledge is limited.
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Jesus isn't personally mentioned in the Jewish faith, there is mention of a messiah but not Christ himself. In fact the nativity is generally considered a bit of fiction required to link Christs birth to the messiah.

As to the link to Islam, well obviously, as Islam was invented 400 years after the creation of Christianity in the same part of the world and is built on the other two Abrahamic faiths.

As to who actually existed. Mohammed almost definately. Jesus most probably. The rest? Unlikely.
 
boxman2000 said:
They had more children and stemmed from there.... so you can get you mind out of the gutter :D
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Not really sure if incest with your sister is any better than incest with your mother tbh...

But then even quite a few Christians believe that part of the bible to be mostly allegorical fairy tales.
 
There is no hard evidence that any thing, in any of the religious books actually occurred or that any of the people in any of the religious books existed. If you have evidence that any of the stories occurred then please point it out. Look at Napoleon we have hard evidence that he existed. But people from biblical times they might as well be ancient greek gods.

The belief systems all fall back on to faith anyway, it is not about evidence. If there was evidence then there would be no requirement to have faith.

Christians even says that god didn't leave evidence on purpose. Not leaving ANY evidence what so ever is a test from god, of the peoples ability to have faith in the story, only through having faith do you receive the rewards promised.
 
Do you want a solid prove the Prophet Jesus did exist ?


From Muslim point of view:

1) Travel to Palestine / Israel
2) Go to this place: http://www.sacred-destinations.com/israel/jerusalem-tomb-of-virgin-mary


3) Digg her body out

4) If you find The body of virgin Marry (Peace upon her and her Son Jesus), has not changed by a single bit, in other words, it looks like a sleeping women, skin, colour, smell,...etc = healthy then this is a prove to you.


Muslims believe all the Prophets (124k) and and the chosen people by God once they die, their bodys remain the same as if they were a live.

I dare you to do it... off course no one will allow you to do it, because of security / ethnics / political risks...etc


This is one of the ways to prove his existance.
 
Muzy said:
Do you want a solid prove the Prophet Jesus did exist ?


From Muslim point of view:

1) Travel to Palestine / Israel
2) Go to this place: http://www.sacred-destinations.com/israel/jerusalem-tomb-of-virgin-mary


3) Digg her body out

4) If you find The body of virgin Marry (Peace upon her and her Son Jesus), has not changed by a single bit, in other words, it looks like a sleeping women, skin, colour, smell,...etc = healthy then this is a prove to you.


Muslims believe all the Prophets (124k) and and the chosen people by God once they die, their bodys remain the same as if they were a live.

I dare you to do it... off course no one will allow you to do it, because of security / ethnics / political risks...etc


This is one of the ways to prove his existance.
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If you find the body of the Virgin Mary then Catholicism has some explaining to do....
 
Muzy said:
Clarify? a body that doesn't change after 1980+ years, has a flowing blood, and muscles remain flexible... prove nothing to you?
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Because you're making the assumption that what the Bible says about Jesus is true. For all you know it could be some random, holy woman. It says nothing about the existence of Jesus.
 
Muzy said:
oh her body is located in that hill, J,C,&M know this.
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Did you even read the website you linked to? There is zero real evidence that it is actually the tomb of Mary. And no, not all Christians will agree because the vast bulk of Christians (Catholics, Orthodox and High Anglican) believe in the Assumption of the Virgin Mary. So what exactly would be buried there?
 
Hatter The Mad said:
Because you're making the assumption that what the Bible says about Jesus is true. For all you know it could be some random, holy woman. It says nothing about the existence of Jesus.
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Holy women/men are not chosen one or prophets, they are normal human, make mistake and erros in their life, so their bodys will be broken out.
 
boxman2000 said:
It's statements like that which show you haven't taken the time to know what you're saying, with all due respect. Simply from a historical point of view the accuracy is undeniable and the fact the canon of scripture (66 books) and penned by over 40 authors would surely have huge inaccuracies considering the majority had:

1) never met each other
2) never read each others writings
3) give account of the same events from different perspectives with the same key happenings.

You say nothing in the bible acts as solid evidence of God but what else would you like God to do?

- Flood the world (archeological evidence for this)
- Part a big ocean so people could walk through whilst perusing enemy is destroyed by waters closing on top of them (archeological evidence of this event)
- Prophets warning of events beyond their lifetime to enable people to get themselves right before God (read Daniel, Jeremiah etc)

Hmm, maybe He could send His Son as His representative to warn people away from living a life displeasing to Him and giving mankind a way of escape through sacrificing His own Son.

Hang on, He's done that already! What else would you like?
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All of the above are highly subjective, provides no real substantial evidence and relies heavily on something called 'faith'. This provides no solid evidence to any of the religious theories that are being put forward.

e.g God flooded the world ?, no, that was down to geological / astrological events, oh thats right but it was God that moved those rocks and made the mountian explode after the meteor impacted the earth which lead to the tsunami that flooded the world, how else could it have happened. God was punishing the heathens and smote them from his heavenly throne !!!!


1) never met each other
2) never read each others writings
3) give account of the same events from different perspectives with the same key happenings.
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Please prove exactly how any of the above are true, without having to leverage the 'have faith' line.
 
RDM said:
Did you even read the website you linked to? There is zero real evidence that it is actually the tomb of Mary. And no, not all Christians will agree because the vast bulk of Christians (Catholics, Orthodox and High Anglican) believe in the Assumption of the Virgin Mary. So what exactly would be buried there?
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No I have not read it, and didn't know that some of the Christians don't believe this.

What I believe or the big number of all three religions believe, she is located in the Vally of Olive, Olive Hill.

there is even the birth place of Prophet Jesus, J,C,&M visit this place all year around.
 
Muzy said:
No I have not read it, and didn't know that some of the Christians don't believe this.

What I believe or the big number of all three religions believe, she is located in the Vally of Olive, Olive Hill.

there is even the birth place of Prophet Jesus, J,C,&M visit this place all year around.
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so it must be true...... because people who have been sold a story by their so called religious leaders go there blindly because the believe what is being peddled to them.

Again that is not empirical evidence of anything.
 
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