Tourists Banned From Dutch Cannabis Cafes

[Robbo]

Yes I can read.

You compared driving at 180 miles an hour on an empty motorway to smoking weed, which is ridiculous.

I can see the point you were 'trying' to make, but you did it wrong.

You cannot compare smoking weed to driving a car, at all.

Driving a car is infinity more dangerous, both to yourself and others around you.

I honestly cannot think of something else that is illegal, but causes the same or less "damage" to yourself/the community, than weed. (except other illegal drugs)


The best thing you could compare it to would be having a beer, which is legal... and you see my point.

No. I said that both are illegal and could have serious consequences (to your personal record), so doing either would be foolish and not the best idea. Your own opinion that it shouldn't be illegal is a meaningless one and not a defensible position.

 

[4T5]

Best thing about anywhere I've been in Europe is the eatery's & the relaxed way you can just chill have cafe & chat **** watching the World go by for a few hours.
In France we used to play spot the car without a dent, Even the cop cars have dents in them over there.
Best place for people though is Belgium, Summit about me got on real well over there & all sorts of strange friendly things happen when I'm there.
To many weird storys to list here & I've already diverted this thread from weed to steak & Latin *****.

What a mix though a, Mmmmm Steak them funky tattys they do & Latin *****.

 

[Things change I've changed]

lol. it would be an interesting poll. unfortunately this is a geek/nerd's forum so i would imagine that the majority our users would fall into the none-drug-taking category. weed does a fraction of the damage that alcohol does to society and the user. i dont drink, surely im allowed something? just because i dont want to kill my liver means i have no options?

No options for what?, what you've written above is more telling than you might want to admit.

I've already addressed the alcohol issue, it's silly using that as a comparison, yes we know it's bad and destructive, why do so many cannabis users assume that anyone who is anti-pot must therefore be pro-alcohol, I'm not, but its not something we can address right now, it's been instilled into society for so long it would be near imposable to ban it at this point, slowly though I do think we could start seeing stricter sanctions placed on it, do you think alcohol would be legal today if it was newly introduced into society?, personally I don't think it would.

actually my dealer is a lovely bloke. you would like him. he has a family business he feels he cant get out of and sells the odd bit to boost his income.

So the guy sells drugs illegally tax free to help boost his income, your right, I love him already

i guess most of the chavs you hate also wear reebok/nike trainers but does that mean that everyone who wears trainers is a chav? causation and correlation.

Do you think I would believe that?, come on now, we are both more intelligent than that, If you believe I would make such a correlation why would you waste your time even speaking to me.

what if tomorrow they made peanuts illegal? they kill much more people than most drugs (cannabis cannot kill you, unless you drop a few kilos on someone's head) . if you liked peanuts would you still buy them from alternate sources? i know its an odd argument but you get my idea. i know a good deal (no pun) about drug legislature and history and why certain drugs were made illegal well before others (weed around 50 years before cocaine for example) and much of that was political and influenced by cotton traders in the USA

The problem is peanuts don't have the massive potential to adversely effect society for generations, death is only one negative, there are worse things than death when running a country, cannabis is a very complex drug, a peanut is not, we can't argue in absolutes.

 

[Marky]

Best thing about anywhere I've been in Europe is the eatery's & the relaxed way you can just chill have cafe & chat **** watching the World go by for a few hours.
In France we used to play spot the car without a dent, Even the cop cars have dents in them over there.
Best place for people though is Belgium, Summit about me got on real well over there & all sorts of strange friendly things happen when I'm there.
To many weird storys to list here & I've already diverted this thread from weed to steak & Latin *****.

What a mix though a, Mmmmm Steak them funky tattys they do & Latin *****.

Yeah I imagine Belgium as a nice place - Met a few Belgians on holiday before and they all seem pretty sound

 

[Davepen]

Your own opinion that it shouldn't be illegal is a meaningless one and not a defensible position.

Well, my views are in no way "meaningless", and I'm sure you'd find many who share them.

The governments own drugs advisor, David Nutt, was sacked for telling the truth about drugs and their relative harms to society, compared to alcohol.


The truth about driving at 180mph is, you can kill yourself and others.

The truth about cannabis, is that it's comparatively harmless. Any harms that may exist to people (of previous underlying mental problems) are far far less than the harm that speeding and alcohol cause to both the individual and society.


I suggest you do a bit of homework so you can revise your deluded views, as per your previous quote below:

"the kind of people who frequently use cannabis are morally suspect at absolute best. It's generally the people you'd describe as a bit 'sad', often from stereotypical broken homes."

 

[4T5]

Yeah I imagine Belgium as a nice place - Met a few Belgians on holiday before and they all seem pretty sound

My Classic says it all Belgium story.
I'm in a bar, One of those hole in the wall places. I ask to use the Loo but the Dude says they haven't got one.
I goes back to my seat & the Dude gets on the phone, He comes over to me & leads me to the door pointing down the road & left. I wander down the road & look left into the road & there's an old Granny about 300 years old waving to me to come to her. I walk down to her & she leads me into her house & shows me to the bathroom. I am like what the ****
So I use the Loo & come down the stairs & this old Granny is standing there with a Silver tray with a doyley thing on it & Tea & Biscuits, She then leads me into her dining room sits me down & gets her photo albums out & starts chatting to me in Belgique (sp?)
I finish my T & Bickys & wander back to the bar where my mate is about an hour later, He's in there chilling playing some game with the locals & it was all like it didn't happen, Every day event sort of.
I was about 20 at the time & just some ruff young English lad. I have untold storys like that, People from Belgium were just amazing to me.

Antwerp market first thing in the morning is one of my all time fave places to be, Cobblestones, Lovely sociable market people & the best sweet shops in the entire world.

 

[4T5]

Not in my opinion, I am bias though but Parisian women have a way about them that No other woman can copy, They are unique & incredibly sexy. Also Latino women **** me what I wouldn't do to a Latino woman. (Only applies if they are under 35 though as after that they Blimp out.

 

[Marky]

My Classic says it all Belgium story.
I'm in a bar, One of those hole in the wall places. I ask to use the Loo but the Dude says they haven't got one.
I goes back to my seat & the Dude gets on the phone, He comes over to me & leads me to the door pointing down the road & left. I wander down the road & look left into the road & there's an old Granny about 300 years old waving to me to come to her. I walk down to her & she leads me into her house & shows me to the bathroom. I am like what the ****
So I use the Loo & come down the stairs & this old Granny is standing there with a Silver tray with a doyley thing on it & Tea & Biscuits, She then leads me into her dining room sits me down & gets her photo albums out & starts chatting to me in Belgique (sp?)
I finish my T & Bickys & wander back to the bar where my mate is about an hour later, He's in there chilling playing some game with the locals & it was all like it didn't happen, Every day event sort of.
I was about 20 at the time & just some ruff young English lad. I have untold storys like that, People from Belgium were just amazing to me.

Antwerp market first thing in the morning is one of my all time fave places to be, Cobblestones, Lovely sociable market people & the best sweet shops in the entire world.

Haha awesome I went to Krakow last year for a weekend and it's very much the same sort of mentality - Very relaxed

Belgian girls are the hottest. FACT.

I can confirm this is mostly truth

 

[Robbo]

Well, my views are in no way "meaningless", and I'm sure you'd find many who share them.

The governments own drugs advisor, David Nutt, was sacked for telling the truth about drugs and their relative harms to society, compared to alcohol.


The truth about driving at 180mph is, you can kill yourself and others.

The truth about cannabis, is that it's comparatively harmless. Any harms that may exist to people (of previous underlying mental problems) are far far less than the harm that speeding and alcohol cause to both the individual and society.


I suggest you do a bit of homework so you can revise your deluded views, as per your previous quote below:

"the kind of people who frequently use cannabis are morally suspect at absolute best. It's generally the people you'd describe as a bit 'sad', often from stereotypical broken homes."

Selective quoting, oh and, as we're going down that road, Germany would disagree.

I think that's a bit more relevant as the OP is talking about the Netherlands anyway.

 

[Davepen]

Selective quoting? The only bit I missed out was the part about it being "your own opinion" but I was not questioning the fact it was your view.

Germany obviously has the autobahn, but then the Netherlands has cannabis, the government there obviously deemed it was not a danger to the public, so they decriminalised it.

Whether or not they are now considering outlawing it due to an abundance of drug tourism is neither here nor there, the fact of the matter is, that wouldn't even come into question if it was also decriminalised over here.

Do you really believe that about cannabis?

Or did you just buy into the whole 'reefer madness' rubbish spouted by the Daily Mail?

 

[A2Z]

My Classic says it all Belgium story.
I'm in a bar, One of those hole in the wall places. I ask to use the Loo but the Dude says they haven't got one.
I goes back to my seat & the Dude gets on the phone, He comes over to me & leads me to the door pointing down the road & left. I wander down the road & look left into the road & there's an old Granny about 300 years old waving to me to come to her. I walk down to her & she leads me into her house & shows me to the bathroom. I am like what the ****
So I use the Loo & come down the stairs & this old Granny is standing there with a Silver tray with a doyley thing on it & Tea & Biscuits, She then leads me into her dining room sits me down & gets her photo albums out & starts chatting to me in Belgique (sp?)
I finish my T & Bickys & wander back to the bar where my mate is about an hour later, He's in there chilling playing some game with the locals & it was all like it didn't happen, Every day event sort of.
I was about 20 at the time & just some ruff young English lad. I have untold storys like that, People from Belgium were just amazing to me.

Haha that is pretty cool Totally agree about Latin girls..my favourite too..yum yum yum.

I went to Belgium last year a few times for work - Brussels is pretty cool to a certain extent, there's a main road near the centre we used to walk down every day to work from our hotel and back, and it was just full of Arabs/Moroccan's smoking weed and hash, and some just sleeping on the floor The girls we were there with got a bit scared just walking down there as they would get stared at by these guys..

Anyway...the best thing about Belgium? How close it is to the Netherlands Any time I was in Belgium, me and my team leader (3 different TL's on 3 different occasions) used to get the train after the first day of work straight to Maastricht, stock up on weed, have a joint or 2, then get the last train back. It was pretty funny seeing the same people on the train going there, and the exact same people back - doing the exact same thing we were doing.

The inspector would come round, and the whole carriage Im sure was just stinking of weed...they never said a thing. Made the rest of the week in Belgium that bit better

That wasn't as fun as when I went to Amsterdam for a week with work...and the team leader I was with was a heavy weed smoker, was the best work week of my life! After work we would just go back to the hotel, change, then straight to Centraal We were there working with a couple of other girls too, and I even got a few of my friends from London to drive down to Amsterdam and met up with them on the Thursday, basically did an all nighter with them before coming back to London on Friday. Ahh good times...

 

[fail at the internets]

I think the problem is that a lot of people that are heavily into cannabis especially in my area are doley chav types, this drug in particular seems to attract these people and the problem is they get so used to it that without it they are a menace to themselves and those around them, they forget how to deal with the normal stresses of society, and then they think the are depressed because they can't cope without it, healthy anxiety transforms into a roadblock leading to an unhealthy change in behaviour and mindset, we are supposed to feel stress, that is what is so dangerous about this drug if taken regularly.

Cannabis is the most commonly used illegal drug in the world. Olympians, Musicians, Politicians, Police, Doctors, Lawyers, Businessmen, Millionaires etc and many more people holding professional job roles smoke marijuana.

I would wager money that a significant amount of people you interact with on a weekly basis have used or regularly use marijuana that you have no clue about, and why should you it is a relaxing smoke with effects that last for an hour, they're not exactly injecting themselves with heroin or taking crystal meth.

You seem to be extremely biased probably due to your previous thread about your moochy mate smoking weed. Now you seem to focusing on a small minority of people in your area to base your opinion on.

In my town the most commonly seen people blattered on a weekend due to alcohol are 18-30's, does that mean that all 18-30's are binge drinkers? No. Many people safely consume alcohol in the privacy of their homes with no issues at all. This is the same with weed.

Basing your opinion on a drugs legal classification from a few chavs in your town is laughable.

 

[Freefaller]

I guess when people grow up they move away from being "cool" and smoking such substances, to being a responsible member of society.

|I very much doubt that many people smoke it as there's an increasing amount of drug testing at the work place - and quite rightly so. I accept they may not affect everyone the same way, or even have a long term effect, however, I'd rather be operated on by a drug free surgeon, deal with a drug free policeman, and have a sharp drug free lawyer defending me. That's just me though - I like to be a little "out there"

Out of all the people I know and am close to, I know some of them did, but now in their 30s and 40s, I can honestly say that none of them do smoke weed. Sure I don't know more than a few hundred people closely, but I guess my age group is older than the younger "freer" spirits on this board.

 

[Threepwood]

Richard Brandson obviously smokes pot, long haired rich hippy

And here an interview about buisness where, come on, he's had a smoke!

I guess when people grow up they move away from being "cool" and smoking such substances, to being a responsible member of society.

Suggesting that you cannot be a grown adult and be a responsible member of society if you smoke cannabis is just outragous... It's the widest used soft drug there is, huge ammounts of responsible proffesionals do. Judges, police, doctors, lawers, you name it. You would be amazed at some of the folk who do. I've known dealers who have dished it out to exactly the kind of people we are talking about.

 

[RomanNose]

I guess when people grow up they move away from being "cool" and smoking such substances, to being a responsible member of society.

|I very much doubt that many people smoke it as there's an increasing amount of drug testing at the work place - and quite rightly so. I accept they may not affect everyone the same way, or even have a long term effect, however, I'd rather be operated on by a drug free surgeon, deal with a drug free policeman, and have a sharp drug free lawyer defending me. That's just me though - I like to be a little "out there"

Out of all the people I know and am close to, I know some of them did, but now in their 30s and 40s, I can honestly say that none of them do smoke weed. Sure I don't know more than a few hundred people closely, but I guess my age group is older than the younger "freer" spirits on this board.

It depends how long the effects last for, I think they do last for last for less than alcohol does but I don't know. I wouldn't care if my surgeon smoked as long as he wasn't under the influence when he was doing it .

 

[Marky]

I guess when people grow up they move away from being "cool" and smoking such substances, to being a responsible member of society.

I'm sorry but that is a ridiculous thing to say...

You get drunk when you're younger - and when you grow up you don't stop going down to the pub with your mates.

Same principle, except your smoking it instead of drinking it.

 

[Freefaller]

Richard Brandson obviously smokes pot, long haired rich hippy

And here an interview about buisness where, come on, he's had a smoke!

Suggesting that you cannot be a grown adult and be a responsible member of society if you smoke cannabis is just outragous... It's the widest used soft drug there is, huge ammounts of responsible proffesionals do. Judges, police, doctors, lawers, you name it. You would be amazed at some of the folk who do. I've known dealers who have dished it out to exactly the kind of people we are talking about.

You're reading between the lines - I'm not implying anything. I'm saying that in general younger members of society tend to follow the trend of rebelling rather than the more mature members of society. I am not casting a brush against everyone saying they are not respectable members of society. So don't get outraged - you'll burst a blood vessel.

I'm sure there's just as much going on around me as there is just as little as you think going on too.

 

[Things change I've changed]

Basing your opinion on a drugs legal classification from a few chavs in your town is laughable.

I am fully aware how popular the drug is, I even posted a pdf in this thread that stated that, and I'm not basing my opinion on a few of my 'chav' mates, I have held this opinion since I was a teenager, I've never understood the need to smoke it, I am perfectly capable of keeping my objectivity, I have debated this subject on the BBC Cornwall Radio years before I had any personal issues with my friends that smoke it regularly, all those personal issues did was support an already long held opinion of the drug.

I am aware there are exceptions to the rule and that obviously there are successful people that smoke it, to think otherwise would be stupid.

 

[Freefaller]

I'm sorry but that is a ridiculous thing to say...

You get drunk when you're younger - and when you grow up you don't stop going down to the pub with your mates.

Same principle, except your smoking it instead of drinking it.

You can shove your rolleyes where the sun don't shine Marky

You don't stop drinking no, but you drink more responsibly, you become more responsible for your actions and understand that cause and effects that your actions have.

I'm not saying that if you smoke weed you are the pariah of society or you're scum - so calm your little tantrum down, I'm merely stating that in general, you have your fun, and then you tend to grow out of it. Not always I accept, and you can still be a good contributing member of society in spite of smoking lots of weed etc... however you tend to do it more responsibly, with discretion and not brag about it, or talk it up, and protect the younger members of this society from them.

I still think it's a little outrageous having this thread on here when there are so many kids reading this thinking "hang on, all these adults and people we look up to think it's cool and ok to take drugs... wicked."

 

[Threepwood]

You're reading between the lines - I'm not implying anything. I'm saying that in general younger members of society tend to follow the trend of rebelling rather than the more mature members of society. I am not casting a brush against everyone saying they are not respectable members of society. So don't get outraged - you'll burst a blood vessel.

Okay, That's a little clearer, thanks (I'm not bursting blood vessels tho )


You've hit on one of the other things about such things being illegal. It helps to make it 'cool' etc.

It's so interesting to see drug use go down in places like portugal after their recent change