Parents irresponsible behaviour, I can't believe it.

paradisiac · 4 May 2012 at 12:14

anticonscience said:
I thought it was:

Male 17 + Female 14 = statutory rape

yes, im 99.9% sure if both are underage is called 'underage sex' if one party is over the legal age its RAPE!!

elmarko · 4 May 2012 at 12:16

Young people when drunk feel the urge, call the police.

Nobody was taking advantage of anybody else (no adults involved) - while I agree it should be discouraged do you honestly think that these kids would be incapable of getting alcohol from elsewhere & doing the same in some field?.

It's not good, but the issue is leaving 13 year old left with alchohol - but again, did she leave it for them - or did they just get it?.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/parents/yourchildshealthandsafety/yourchildssafetyinthehome/dg_070594

From what's here it's not illegal to leave 13 year old's in a house together, neither is it illegal not to have booze locked up, neither is it illegal for a group of teenagers to do what they did.

I fail to see why the law should or would be involved in this.

Ahleckz said:
Why does having sex at that age mean that they had a poor upbringing, are stupid and low class? I had sex at 13, my parents weren't irresponsible in the slightest, I come from a middle class family, went to one of the best schools in Scotland, yadda yadda. It's your outdated, ignorant views which result in so many teenage pregnancies and the like. If people stopped treating sex as some sort of massive taboo never to be spoken about, then people would make sensible, informed choices and not shy away from speaking to their parents about it. Combine this with the easy access to condoms in the home, from responsible parents, and you will lower the teenage pregnancy rate/rising STI rates.

I don't often agree with you, but I have to admit - you are right on this.

Have you all suddenly forgotten was it was like to be a teenage boy?.

sbi5ar · 4 May 2012 at 12:18

paradisiac said:
im 99.9% sure its called 'underaged sex' and not rape. it still carries a custodial sentance (but rarely dished out) but is not classed as rape.

This... although there was a thread on her the other day about how you might not be able to give consent if under the effects of alcohol (or something like that*)

* I might have made this up but pretty sure it was on here

the shadow · 4 May 2012 at 12:18

I guess this is where being on Facebook comes back to Bite her

rG-tom · 4 May 2012 at 12:19

lol, and what? The only problem here was the lack of protection, i was having sex at this age, not really a big issue? Oh, and the fact 2 guys on one girl, sword fighting isnt best.

Threepwood · 4 May 2012 at 12:19

but again, did she leave it for them

Yes, it was specifically bought for them, to drink unattended while the mother went out for the evening.

I fail to see why the law should or would be involved in this.

As mentioned, the only rule she has broken is not getting the girls mother's permission to drink alcohol. (she would not have given permission had she known it would be unsupervised)

lol, and what? The only problem here was the lack of protection, i was having sex at this age, not really a big issue?

I'm sure you would feel the same if it was your barely 13 year old daughter this happened to. You would be all 'thats great' would you?

krooton · 4 May 2012 at 12:24

People complain about children losing their innocence too early, then say it's fine for 13 year olds to have sex because they did themselves.

Farnsworth.jpg

Yes, at 13 years old a boy is awash with hormones and urges, surely NOT giving in to them when it is all new is the best way to avoid irresponsible actions.

To those guys who lost their cherries at such a young age, would you be happy with your 13 year old daughter doing the same as long as she was responsible?

Dave M · 4 May 2012 at 12:25

Ahleckz said:
Why does having sex at that age mean that they had a poor upbringing, are stupid and low class? I had sex at 13, my parents weren't irresponsible in the slightest, I come from a middle class family

There's a difference between having a girlfriend and getting lucky while your parents are out and going round someone's house for a gang bang.

2up at 13 years old? Christ on a bike that's a bit racy for university life never mind as a child.

You can think that's normal healthy behavior if you like but I'll have to disagree.

RDM · 4 May 2012 at 12:25

shadesofgrey said:
As mentioned, the only rule she has broken is not getting the girls mother's permission to drink alcohol. (she would not have given permission had she known it would be unsupervised)

Is that actually a law though?

Dist · 4 May 2012 at 12:26

Personally I don't see what the big deal is. Yes they are only 13 but they made the choice to get drunk and have sex and if any of them regret what they did or get insulted for what they did then perhaps it will serve as a warning for the future. While I do think the parents are a bit irresponsible, at 13 kids should know enough to make certain choices, even if they may be seen as the wrong ones.

Edit: just so I'm clear though, I only consider it OK if they was all willing to do what they did. If one of them was forced to drink and have sex then of course it would be a different story, worthy of the police getting involved.

Yeggstry · 4 May 2012 at 12:26

paradisiac said:
yes, im 99.9% sure if both are underage is called 'underage sex' if one party is over the legal age its RAPE!!

Would it be classed as rape if she claimed it wasn't consensual, since she was drunk?

RDM · 4 May 2012 at 12:28

paradisiac said:
im 99.9% sure its called 'underaged sex' and not rape. it still carries a custodial sentance (but rarely dished out) but is not classed as rape.

Yeah, just read up on it. Despite the age of consent being 16 you can still actually consent unless you are under 13. Under 13 it is statutory rape, 13-15 underage sex. If you get prosecuted will be up to the CPS and generally depends on the age of the people involved.

So yes, they did break the law by having sex, but they are very unlikely to get prosecuted due to it not really being in the public interest to do so.

krooton · 4 May 2012 at 12:28

Dist said:
Personally I don't see what the big deal is. Yes they are only 13 but they made the choice to get drunk and have sex and if any of them regret what they did or get insulted for what they did then perhaps it will serve as a warning for the future.

Well if this happens to be how she lost her virginity, coupled with her new status at school, this could have a very unfortunate impact on how she grows up and her views on sex in general.

Dave M · 4 May 2012 at 12:28

krooton said:
To those guys who lost their cherries at such a young age, would you be happy with your 13 year old daughter doing the same as long as she was responsible?

Also noticing a distinct lack of women boasting about having sex at 13.

Maybe not such a glorious experience for them.

ringo747 · 4 May 2012 at 12:29

Very sad state of affairs.

Threepwood · 4 May 2012 at 12:30

but they made the choice to get drunk

Yes, but they only made that choice after being supplied with the alcohol from the mother.

Is that actually a law though?

According to the social workers, this is the only realistic point of law that has been broken.

RDM · 4 May 2012 at 12:30

krooton said:
Well if this happens to be how she lost her virginity, coupled with her new status at school, this could have a very unfortunate impact on how she grows up and her views on sex in general.

Which is also part of the problem, we treat a girl having sex as being worse than a boy having sex.

krooton · 4 May 2012 at 12:31

Telescopi said:
Also noticing a distinct lack of women boasting about having sex at 13.

Maybe not such a glorious experience for them.

I'm going to guess that those guys on here that lost it at 13 probably did so with a somewhat older ****ty girl.

Dist · 4 May 2012 at 12:31

shadesofgrey said:
Yes, but they only made that choice after being supplied with the alcohol from the mother.

So just because their was alcohol available to them they had to drink it until they got drunk?

rG-tom · 4 May 2012 at 12:32

shadesofgrey said:
I'm sure you would feel the same if it was your barely 13 year old daughter this happened to. You would be all 'thats great' would you?

krooton said:
People complain about children losing their innocence too early, then say it's fine for 13 year olds to have sex because they did themselves.

Farnsworth.jpg

Yes, at 13 years old a boy is awash with hormones and urges, surely NOT giving in to them when it is all new is the best way to avoid irresponsible actions.

To those guys who lost their cherries at such a young age, would you be happy with your 13 year old daughter doing the same as long as she was responsible?

I'm generally not a hypocrite, so as long as the girl was being responsible unlike in this case, then yea....