President Obama Endorses Gay Marriage
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You mean the fact a bunch of goat herders said it was wrong a few thousand years ago and put it in a book isn't enough?
I can quite happily accept that for religious reasons people will be opposed to gay marriage, however I see no reason why they should be allowed to force those views on others. I would also have no issue with an exemption being written in to the law so that religions do not have to perform gay marriages (but they should be allowed to if they wish). We already have such exemptions that allw religions to sexually discriminate and they remain unchallenged before he ECHR.
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Well quite, not to mention we have laws that allow businesses and organizations to discriminate on race and sex. An Indian restaurant can legally use the argument of 'authenticity' as to why they only employ Indian waiters. Likewise a film director would not be prosecuted for not hiring a black man to play Winston Churchill.
It is also perfectly legal to only hire only women to work in a domestic violence refuge.
So the idea that some have made that gay marriage will end up forcing Churches to carry them out is utter rubbish when there are hundreds of caveats that already legally allow discrimination in other areas.
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I think it's a generational thing as well as a religious one. My mum told me she felt 'sick' after watching the gay ballroom dancers on Britain's Got Talent, I just rolled my eyes and walked away.
In 50 years time, those that oppose gay marriage will be a very tiny minority (at which point they'll switch from using the majority argument to whining about being a persecuted minority).
In 50 years time, those that oppose gay marriage will be a very tiny minority (at which point they'll switch from using the majority argument to whining about being a persecuted minority).
I'd like to look beyond someone feeling sick and be given logical reasons. I think saying 'I don't agree with it' is not enough. I don't agree with <insert religion here> (don't wish to be specific to avoid the pointless religion argument, we've moved on from that now). Yet people still practice and it's none of my business
.My mum has said to me she thinks gayness is weird. She has gay friends, goes out with them and doesn't mind gay marriage though as it doesn't involve her (obviously lol). That's fine. It's not her cup of tea but she respects it.
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Gay marriage should be legal and the respective Churches should be free to choose whether they preside over them or not.
I suspect that many will, especially in the Anglican and Free Congregation Communities.
There is no objective reason why homosexuals cannot get married by the State.....all this civil partnership malarky is just a sticking plaster, a discriminatory one at that.
I suspect that many will, especially in the Anglican and Free Congregation Communities.
There is no objective reason why homosexuals cannot get married by the State.....all this civil partnership malarky is just a sticking plaster, a discriminatory one at that.
Indeed, I agree. I'd like someone to provide a valid reason to counter this. Not 'I don't like it' or 'Jesus says so'. Some actual facts or evidence. Perhaps greater obesity rates for example if we allow this
, greater crime?Okay I am using silly examples but it makes sense to demonstrate
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fys3MsKMpms&feature=related sums them up......
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Just going back to that awful 'Adam & Steve' cliche, were Adam and Eve actually married in the first place? I don't recall it being mentioned in the Bible... populating the entire world out of wedlock is a pretty harsh sin, lol.
America, land of the free*
*Does not apply if you're black, asian, hispanic, middle eastern, gay, lesbian, transgender or poor.
In fact, unless you're a middle-age white conservative middle-class christian who's cheated on his wife several years ago with Tina, his secretary at a staff party who ended up having an abortion after taking his advice, but god forgave him, ya know, because you can pick and choose which part of the bible apply to you, you're pretty much screwed.
Ahhh, America.
*Does not apply if you're black, asian, hispanic, middle eastern, gay, lesbian, transgender or poor.
In fact, unless you're a middle-age white conservative middle-class christian who's cheated on his wife several years ago with Tina, his secretary at a staff party who ended up having an abortion after taking his advice, but god forgave him, ya know, because you can pick and choose which part of the bible apply to you, you're pretty much screwed.
Ahhh, America.
They shared the same father, enough said
She was technically part of him, masturbation level 100.
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If God thought Adam and Eve were the benchmarks that all humans thereafter should descend from, why did he then wipe out all humans with a flood and 'reset' humanity beginning with Noah and his wife?
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Indeed, I agree. I'd like someone to provide a valid reason to counter this. Not 'I don't like it' or 'Jesus says so'. Some actual facts or evidence. Perhaps greater obesity rates for example if we allow this
Okay I am using silly examples but it makes sense to demonstrate
I don't have a counter argument, and I am a Christian.
In fact, i am more of the counter-counter argument persuasion. When the bible speaks out about 'sexual immorality' its talking about casual sex outside of a marriage/relationship. In the context of homosexuality, it has more to do with condemning men sharking in public toilets than same sex individuals in a committed relationship. Or one-night stands in a heterosexual, going out looking for some fun (Been there done that). Sadly, many preachers and non-preachers, christians and non-christians alike are too blinded by their own prejudice and irrational fear, and only see what they want to see, not what is actually there.Then we have to ask ourselves what is 'marriage' anyway, as over time and cultural shifts the goal posts are CONSTANTLY changing as the word redefines itself. Today, people marry for 'love'. We only have to go back a little over a century in to the Victorian age:
http://www.clas.ufl.edu/users/agunn/teaching/enl3251/vf/pres/ziegenfuss.htm
As we go further back, women are married off younger and younger often for political games and political gains. (See Marriage of State)
How we can possibly compare the norm of today to the norm of ages past and arrive at the conclusion 'gay marriage is definitely out' is beyond me and does not hold up to scrutiny.