Yet Another pakistani sex gang in rochdale.

Monkeymatt said:
It's not BS, most of the population believe having things such as Sky are a necessity when they are infact a luxury.
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Funny how when accusing someone of BS you then come out with BS statements yourself. :p

It's oft quoted that 'everyone' has sky, whereas the latest figures I could find shows about 1/3 of households have sky and just under 50% have any form of pay for view TV.

They want a large salary to afford these luxury's when they often simply don't have the skills/experience to get jobs that pay that much so instead of getting a lower skilled job they sit at home and complain about a lack of jobs.
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That's very much a sweeping Daily Fail generalisation, though even I probably agree with the sentiment, but what figures are there to actually back it up?

Go back through history and you will find every generation saying the same thing about their younger generation.

And don't forget, the way our children are is only down to the way we as a society have influenced them through their upbringing...

All jobs in the UK pay a decent wage because of the minimum wage, the problem is people expect to have luxury's and then complain when they don't have enough money due to living beyond their means.
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Heh, do you actually know what your gross days pay would be for an 8 hour day on minimum wage....£48.64, I don't personally call that a decent wage, then take Tax and NI off that, then travel expenses to get to work, then your rent/mortgage (joke who could afford to buy a house on minimum wage)...it doesn't leave a lot to live on.

Also, we live in a consumer society, our young people are bombarded from an early age by advertising to buy all these useless items, so you can't really blame them (and the rest of us) when we have a distorted view of what is important to have.

I do still fall into the same trap of thinking myself though, we employ apprentices at one place I work, and they do 10 hour days (9+1 hr unpaid lunch) for £2.60 / hour - and with some of them I despair at their lack of knowledge (but not their work ethic) ...and tbh, it's not just a lack of formal knowledge but not knowing things I would expect people to know by just being sentiently aware of ones own surroundings...

Then on the flip side I know some very bright young people and also other very hard working youngesters who have set up their own companies. I couldn't really tell you which are indicative of the whole...

But back to the original topic, I love how the media make it seem as if every Asian man in this country is involved in sex gangs and they are all preying on our innocent white girls, when really it is just a tiny minority of the Asian population doing this, similar to the tiny minority of the White population that do very similar but aren't given media coverage.
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This is the whole point and I agree entirely, well obviously using the ironic form of love, meaning hate ;)
 
Freakbro said:
Heh, do you actually know what your gross days pay would be for an 8 hour day on minimum wage....£48.64, I don't personally call that a decent wage, then take Tax and NI off that, then travel expenses to get to work, then your rent/mortgage (joke who could afford to buy a house on minimum wage)...it doesn't leave a lot to live on.
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And your point is? My father and his four brothers lived in the same house whilst they all worked to pay the bills. They saved up what they could and eventually bought one house where one of the brothers moved in. Then started the process again until each had their own house whilst all four brothers contributed.

Unfortunately the "modern" day youth of this country don’t know what sacrifice is, everyone is hell bent on iPhones, takeout’s, Sky etc then what do you expect?

Immigrants coming over who know how tough it is in the "real world" save their money, live in accommodation with multiple occupants etc they make the necessary sacrifices that are needed until they are in a position to do otherwise.

My fathers a bus driver so isn’t on much more money than minimum wage yet he has run a house for 30 years with everything one can ask for. We’ve only recently got sky and other little luxuries once we ourselves started working.
 
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Craterloads said:
And your point is?
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The point was quite straight forward, that I personally don't think the minimum wage is a 'decent' wage relative to the current cost of living.

Unfortunately the "modern" day youth of this country don’t know what sacrifice is, everyone is hell bent on iPhones, takeout’s, Sky etc then what do you expect?
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Absolutely, but it is the aim of every generation to make life better for their children, now we have done that by making the base level of existence very comfortable, we are reaping the rewards :)

Combine that with the level of capitalistic consumerism that is pushed down their throats from birth and I can see why they have such high (and unrealistic) expectations.

Immigrants coming over who know how tough it is in the "real world" save their money, live in accommodation with multiple occupants etc they make the necessary sacrifices that are needed until they are in a position to do otherwise.
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I agree, though it's not really a 'sacrifice' for the majority as even living in multi-occupancy housing with low wages over here is still probably a better standard of living from where they come from.

Give it one generation of their offspring and they will be moaning about exactly the same thing about their own kids! :)

My fathers a bus driver so isn’t on much more money than minimum wage yet he has run a house for 30 years with everything one can ask for. We’ve only recently got sky and other little luxuries once we ourselves started working.
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And we all used to work 27 hrs a day down t' pit and got up before we went to bed!

*looks at your sig* hmm...triple sli 7970's...I would class that as a bit more than 'a little luxury' ... ;)

But as the rest of my post above said, I don't disagree with the sentiment of what is being said, though I would like to see some facts rather than 'what we all feel'
But more importantly we have to look at ourselves and our own society as to why we are bringing up a generation of children with these attitudes, it's our fault, not theirs.
 
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spankingtexan said:
I wouldn't want to be deprived of my joy knowing these utterly vile people are now suffering in our jails, pitty the sentences were not longer.
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If the UK prisons were like the russian\US state prisons I would agree.
But we know they will get an easy few years and get out and do it all again.
 
deuse said:
If the UK prisons were like the russian\US state prisons I would agree.
But we know they will get an easy few years and get out and do it all again.
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Couldnt agree more. Watched a documentary on russian prisons on discovery i think it was, now thats what i call a deterent.

These guys will be out in no time, whist serving "easy" time compared to other countries. Prison should be a hell hole.
 

Some good points. Would agree with you regarding minimum wages with current costs of living, which i didnt take into perspective :(

In my personal oppinion i would blame the state for handing out too much on a plate, people are used to getting something for nothing.

Ooh, and i dont actually own said components in sign!
 
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majnu said:
Guys I have an idea. You may not like it but I think it will work. BRING BACK CAPITAL PUNISHMENT!
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No. The advantages of our current system of law means if somebody is innocent then they can keep appealing or wait for new evidence to come up to prove their innocence, they can't do that if they are dead.
 
Milkybk said:
It is impossible with the sort of thread as so many "politically correct" people in this country simply point the racist finger at anyone who disagrees with them.
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Yes blame the people with a bit of common sense and defend the people making retarded racist remarks.

Well done sir
 
George Hincapie said:
It's not BS at all. He's entirely right IMHO.
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lazy brits? hard working poles?

Stereotypical rubbish, would you like it if I started to say that all west Indians are thieving drug dealers or all Pakistanis are rapists?


Its this sort thing that drives me mad, its ok to bash the english/ british at every opportunity with casual bigotry i feel sorry for the youth of today when it seems the general consensus is to vilify them.

All the eastern immigrants that have moved to my town seem to be

a\ sitting around in the park or in the gym but not actually at work.
b\ up the duff
c\ the house next to me where I used to live 2bed terrace had 7! yes 7 people living in from eastern europe! I wonder how they can afford to live on the low wages? They had 3 old bmws parked outside with no tax as they don't need it for 6months even though they had been there more than 6 months! God only knows if they had/need MOT's I doubt it.


perhaps you will feel different when your children are facing an uncertain future with very few jobs and extremely low paid jobs and all the low cost starter homes and being taken by groups of immigrants cramming themselves into small homes.

I am all for migrant workers who can offer this country some valuable skills:
engineering, doctors etc skilled jobs! we do not need factory workers,warehouse workers, plumbers, waiters, lower skilled workers etc we have a population of people who need jobs whomever they are the young or elderly who are being forced to work on longer and longer due to the collapsing ponzi pension schemes and overreaching corporate greed.
 
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