Military Course Called For 'Muslim Hiroshima'

Isn't this a suitable plan to have if terrorists use a stolen nuke on the london olympics?

"oh no we love the muslims"... gimme a break.

:eek: :confused: :o

*sigh*

So which country would you like to obliterate in retaliation, killing all the innocent civilians, men women and children, because a small group of non-regional specific people did such an act?
 
Of course it is a hyphothetical situation, the very first part of it "imagine the Geneva Conventions didnt apply" make it hypothetical. If you honestly think they were making real plans to wipe out Islam then you are deluded.

I cant see no hypothetical situation in the below quotes?

"We have now come to understand that there is no such thing as 'moderate Islam',".

"It is therefore time for the United States to make our true intentions clear. This barbaric ideology will no longer be tolerated. Islam must change or we will facilitate its self-destruction."

Anyhow is this suitable material to be teaching future military leaders, who will be in some extent involved in wars in the middle east.
 
:eek: :confused: :o

*sigh*

So which country would you like to obliterate in retaliation, killing all the innocent civilians, men women and children, because a small group of non-regional specific people did such an act?

Organisations in Iraq/Afghanistan recruit and train terrorists. The only reason you think it's non-regional specific is because they intentionally recruit people from all nations. That doesn't change where the problem originates.

I know it's an extreme response. But sooner or later there'll be an extreme situation that requires it. Making it a suitable plan.
 
This'll blatantly be misinterpreted...

But, the other day, I was discussing with a friend the utilitarian benefits of killing everyone in a hypothetical country, where ridiculous numbers of people were dying year-on-year, and where the quality of life was pretty much non-existent :o. Yes, discussing genocide! I think it's good to take things to extremes, when it's an academic exercise, TBH. We're both taking jurisprudence modules, next year, so we talked about loads of different things, in a really nerdy, keeno way.

Why's it so bad to discuss hypothetical situations, when the aim is to show how things like human rights, rules of war, etc, are vitally important?

I do think there is a big difference between a hypothetical chat with your mate down the pub and an educational course like this though...

I can have the same sort of musings as you, like an extremely easy way to sort out the deficit and economy in this country, in one quick sweep of the pen...euthanasia at 65. If you look at how much spending of the welfare system is made up by pensions and how much the eldery cost in the NHS budget, we would reverse the deficit in one year! (well, once we had paid for all the disposal of the bodies :p)

But if I ever found out this was being discussed at high levels or taught as an option, I would be understandably outraged...
 
Organisations in Iraq/Afghanistan recruit and train terrorists. The only reason you think it's non-regional specific is because they intentionally recruit people from all nations. That doesn't change where the problem originates.

I know it's an extreme response. But sooner or later there'll be an extreme situation that requires it. Making it a suitable plan.

Making exterminating 1.4billion people a suitable plan.. lol
 
Organisations in Iraq/Afghanistan recruit and train terrorists. The only reason you think it's non-regional specific is because they intentionally recruit people from all nations. That doesn't change where the problem originates.

I know it's an extreme response. But sooner or later there'll be an extreme situation that requires it. Making it a suitable plan.

So I take it you would want to obliterate Iraq or Afghanistan then, if a terrorist exploded a nuke in the London Olympics.

Even if that terrorist was from Saudia Arabia.. or Ireland?
 
I cant see no hypothetical situation in the below quotes?


Anyhow is this suitable material to be teaching future military leaders, who will be in some extent involved in wars in the middle east.

I would be more interested to see the entire context rather than select juicy quotes. The fact that they state "ignore the Geneva Conventions" makes it hypothetical because the Geneva Conventions exist and are generally adhered to by Western militaries.

I am about as outraged at this as I am about the invasion plans of the UK. Which is to say "Not at all".
 
So I take it you would want to obliterate Iraq or Afghanistan then, if a terrorist exploded a nuke in the London Olympics.

Even if that terrorist was from Saudia Arabia.. or Ireland?

It doesnt matter where the individual is from - it's the organisation that backs them you need to retaliate against. If you can prove that's in Saudi Arabia or Ireland then fair enough.

However - it seems to be the general consensus that you guys would get nuked and do absolutely nothing. You're the kind of species that goes extinct because it's too lame to defend itself. There has to be a consequence of attacking us - I think taking out loads of your people in return is sufficient incentive to leave us alone.
 
I would be more interested to see the entire context rather than select juicy quotes. The fact that they state "ignore the Geneva Conventions" makes it hypothetical because the Geneva Conventions exist and are generally adhered to by Western militaries.

I am about as outraged at this as I am about the invasion plans of the UK. Which is to say "Not at all".

Well i think it comes down to perspective as to why you not being "outraged". Given the US's involment in numerous wars in muslim countries at the present time and its motives for the future its understanable why some are not as calm as yourself.

Im sure you said "imagine" earlier on now you state "ignore" anyhow not sure which one or if both where actualy said.

Im sure if the US was occupying the UK and were also discusing hypothetically to exterminate every British person you would be a little more vocal ;)
 
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I would be more interested to see the entire context rather than select juicy quotes.
This.
its easy to take things out of context and make it sound outragous.

I'm just speculating here, but this is most likely a massive over reaction, this was most likely one of those exercises where they plan out every possible action to a given hypothetical situation, designed to develop military planning and is not a hate mongering class.
 
It doesnt matter where the individual is from - it's the organisation that backs them you need to retaliate against. If you can prove that's in Saudi Arabia or Ireland then fair enough.

However - it seems to be the general consensus that you guys would get nuked and do absolutely nothing. You're the kind of species that goes extinct because it's too lame to defend itself. There has to be a consequence of attacking us - I think taking out loads of your people in return is sufficient incentive to leave us alone.

I dont dispute if you are attacked you need to defend yourself, but by obliterating a country to get at a small group of people who reside there, who by your own admission may not even be indigenous to that country, does not seem to me the appropriate response...
 
I am about as outraged at this as I am about the invasion plans of the UK. Which is to say "Not at all".
'Muslims are irrationally violent and we'll have to murder them' isn't a contingency plan; it's a strategy for dehumanising Muslims.

"They hate everything you stand for and will never coexist with you, unless you submit," the course instructor Army Lt Col Matthew Dooley said in a presentation for the course last July.
Those damn Muslims. Why can't they react more peacefully to Western imperialism?
 
Well i think it comes down to perspective as to why you not being "outraged". Given the US's involment in numerous wars in muslim countries at the present time and its motives for the future its understanable why some are not as calm as yourself.

The fact that the countries the US has invaded were muslim is pretty much immaterial as to why they were invaded. If they had been any other religion or no religion then the invasions would still have happened. The US is not at War with Islam. I think this blinkered thinking is part of the problem. As far as the US is concerned Islam is irrelevant, what matters to them is political and economic control, not religion. The so called muslim brotherhood that gets trotted out is part of the problem, it doesn't really exist (as can be seen by the numerous muslim on muslim attacks) and tends to be used only by extremists as a recruiting tool.

Im sure you said "imagine" earlier on now you state "ignore" anyhow not sure which one or if both where actualy said.

I haven't read the full report and seen what is actually going on so am being somewhat vague on my language. The fact that the US haven't actually done anything even remotely close to attempting genocide in the Middle East would lead me to believe that they aren't really up for it at the moment.

Im sure if the US was occupying the UK and were also discusing hypothetically to exterminate every British person you would be a little more vocal ;)

When the US is occupying the whole of the muslim world you may have a point, but as they are only occupying one muslim nation (and that for not much longer) then I think you may be somewhat off base with the analogy.
 
So you might think, yet in certain places, small amounts of radical people can still retain a massive influence, and when you stamp religion over the top of anything, the ability to reason with the person virtually disappears.

Lots of the small amount of radical people will be steadily replaced as the current youth grows up and they retire....
 
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