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I know it is easy, but you don't have to. Nor do you need a two week holiday.
Tories whose dads are well off.
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My family were strong conservatives until the coronation into which half changed their outlook. The most ardent Tory I have in the family is fabulously wealthy, and rewards his party of choice accordingly. I'm not particularly fussed though, horses for courses and all that. PS He grew up on a council estate in Edinburgh, and now claims he can't effectively count his wealth so it is certainly possible to make your way in life from humble begginings and its hard to grudge someone for that in itself. I believe his father was a tory co-incidently, who was an RAF serviceman in the war. I do not see any correlation between his father and my uncles achievements interestingly enough.
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Thats what we do though! We leave them with the same ***** parents until they behave so badly that they can have the children removed. A bit of extra money won't change that.
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I'm not suggesting that it would, but overlooking the children is certainly not the solution. Nor am I saying that I have the solution though; I wish I did.
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Money will always be a necessity unfortunately, unless we manage to form some sort of Utopian society.
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Hahahaha I was waiting for that!
A few posts ago you said poor doesn't mean bad parent but now you seem to be of thier view that anyone who needs money for their kids some alcoholic gambling smoker who beats the kid.
bad luck, bad planning and a badly timed kid can mean very very little money the government money means there should be enough to clothe and feed the children.
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That's where poor parents are going wrong, they should try using food. Not many nutrients in a bank note.
The amount that anyone on benefits gets right now is enough to feed them well so I don't see that as an issue.
I'll try to explain partly how my view has been formed over the years.
My mums family owned a farm that her abusive heavy drinker of a dad swallowed up, the children were quite often sent to school without underwear because the dad wouldn't pay for it. She was up at 5 in the morning to help at the farm and then walked 8-9 miles to school and back every day.
She didn't eat properly a lot of the time but her mum raised her well and she turned out well. From all that **** emerged a good valuable member of society simply because one of her parents did a good job. All the other ingredients were wrong but that one thing trumped everything else.
I find it so hard to find an excuse as to why anyone could use money as an excuse for poor parenting or not feeding their child properly. The welfare system in this country is fine and give people enough to survive on even if no one in the family works. If your parents are willing to let you go hungry then a bit more money wouldn't change that.
I haven't said that anyone who needs money for their kids is a bad parent at all. If you claim the benefits you are entitled to and do not feed and clothe your child, that makes you a bad parent.
On the top of bad luck, if you have a child that is unplanned or you lose your job straight after having them then you will still get benefits that will feed and clothe your child even if you have to take a large hit in living standard.
My basic point is that whatever your circumstance, the state will protect and give you enough to live and eat on. If you spend that money badly then that is on you and I don't believe that giving such parents a bit more money would make a blind bit of difference.
Out of curiosity, did you grow up in poverty?, or have you ever lived in poverty?.
As you sound very much like somebody who has never experienced what you are talking about.
The stress related to poverty has a real impact of the quality of the upbringing of the child, the fact the child is aware they are "very poor" is already damaging to the individuals self esteem.
I see no reason to punish an innocent child for the poor financial choices of the parents (for two reasons).
1. It's collective punishment (Which goes against all of our concepts of justice).
2. All it does is increase the chance of that child to grow up making the same poor decisions, regardless as to how many people want to admit it, growing in poverty is one of the strongest indicators as to how somebody will turn out - self esteem being one of the key factors related to it (or lack of).
If you want to reduce the amount of future parents making the same poor choices they we need to take an honest look at the underline causes, I fail to see how draconian punitive measures against the children of the poor is going to solve anything.
They saved the UK from being a 2nd class country like Spain when they got elected in 1979, and they're saving us from being like Greece/Spain and Irland right now
I fail to see how anything I have said is punitive. Have I said that we shouldn't give them any benefits? You can ignore my point as much as you want but it won't change it. Everyone on benefits in this country has enough money to feed and clothe their family. If they are not doing that, they are bad parents and giving them more money won't change that.
I still can't believe that people still think that throwing money at a problem fixes it. The labour government have shown us beautifully what happens when you believe that money fixes anything.
I didn't grow up in poverty at all and very few in the UK really do. My parents lived within their means and worked really hard. We never had much spent on us and we got clothes for birthdays and christmas to the tune of £50 or so.
I knew that most of my friends were better off that us but I had a great childhood. My parents realised that time was much more important than money when raising children.
To be fair to the guy, when the tories took over, the country was in a great state. I just don't know how on earth the tories have caused so many problems in such a short space of time.
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Yeah because the 70s under Labour were great (Winter of Discontent) and it's not like the Tories improved country and made everyone richer, leaving Blair with one of the strongest economies we've ever had is it?
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