The extraction of a suspects mobile phone data

[The Halk]

It's a Daily mail link.

Nuff said.

Do you just reject or ignore anything that doesn't fit your narrow views? You've already insinuated I'm a criminal type further up the thread, and now you're just blankly refusing to accept something.

Regardless if it's the Daily Mail or not, they cannot print outright lies. They certainly spin things, and misrepresent scientific articles.

Surely you're not saying the Daily Mail is fiction?

 

[Craterloads]

Do you just reject or ignore anything that doesn't fit your narrow views? You've already insinuated I'm a criminal type further up the thread, and now you're just blankly refusing to accept something.

Regardless if it's the Daily Mail or not, they cannot print outright lies. They certainly spin things, and misrepresent scientific articles.

Surely you're not saying the Daily Mail is fiction?

Careful, they'll be using the usual "tin foil hat" line soon.

 

[estebanrey]

hmm, I suspect that, like the NDNAD, the retention of the data will be in contravention of the ECHR but will be allowed anyway. Funny how our lot choose only to ignore Euro laws that make us poorer or imply that we will commit a recordable offence at some point in our lives.

Can't wait to hear what the likes of Shami Chakrabarti have to say about this. When it's a Al Qaeda sympathiser who's only been here a few months being threatened with deportation she comes out quicker than a rat up a drainpipe to stick up for them.

I suspect something like this will be too small fry for her to bother with.

 

[RomanNose]

Hardware wear leveling can reveal the presence of something being accessed on a disc far more frequently than other parts, hence the advice to use 'fake' partitions as much as your hidden ones to mask them at a hardware level.

I see.

 

[[TW]Fox]

For context, I don't understand why they are allowed to keep data if no charges are brought and I don't agree they should be able to.

However, this isn't a new thing. All I see in said article is a more efficient way of doing something they've been able to do already anyway.

 

[Sin_Chase]

Do you just reject or ignore anything that doesn't fit your narrow views? You've already insinuated I'm a criminal type further up the thread, and now you're just blankly refusing to accept something.

Regardless if it's the Daily Mail or not, they cannot print outright lies. They certainly spin things, and misrepresent scientific articles.

Surely you're not saying the Daily Mail is fiction?

I reject trash journalism with articles full of:

Claims
According to
Alleged
Unnamed source

The police admit they have KPIs.....which organisation does not? Apparently admitting you have performance indicators is admitting you set policing quotas for officers

 

[StriderX]

For context, I don't understand why they are allowed to keep data if no charges are brought and I don't agree they should be able to.

However, this isn't a new thing. All I see in said article is a more efficient way of doing something they've been able to do already anyway.

It is also more efficient to shoot someone in the face, than walking around with a bunch of non-lethal weapons.

Of course morality, principles, law, justice and society as a whole would beg to differ.

/ridiculous comparison.

 

[estebanrey]

It's a Daily mail link.

Nuff said.

I don't read the DM, I think it's garbage but it does annoy when people rubbish any story just because of the name of paper it comes from. At the same time the Guardian is usually held up like some kind bastion of truth despite the fact I could list you at least five things they've printed which have turned out to be complete boll*** in the last few years.

 

[The Halk]

For context, I don't understand why they are allowed to keep data if no charges are brought and I don't agree they should be able to.

However, this isn't a new thing. All I see in said article is a more efficient way of doing something they've been able to do already anyway.

I think your position is reasonable and I can understand what you mean.

My disagreement with you is that I don't [edit : trust] the police not to abuse the ability to instantly check any mobile. Where it was previously the case that they needed weeks to check it, they can now check it immediately and with only a cursory level of protection for the accused. To me that's far too far and wide open to abuse. I'd like it to at least be signed off by a senior officer or judge.

 

[estebanrey]

However, this isn't a new thing. All I see in said article is a more efficient way of doing something they've been able to do already anyway.

As I said, make things easier and they'll do it more often.

 

[Craterloads]

For context, I don't understand why they are allowed to keep data if no charges are brought and I don't agree they should be able to.

However, this isn't a new thing. All I see in said article is a more efficient way of doing something they've been able to do already anyway.

Sometimes "efficient" is not necessarily a good thing. Courts are there for a reason.

And how come your always playing down things, ive heard the line "this happens all the time" etc far to much from you

 

[ethan]

The police officers on here have repeatedly stated they do not have such a thing as quotas. Is there any reason to suggest they are lying?

Though I know you are only replying to the point about quotas I would just like to pipe in and say that it isn't always about qutoas : Sometimes it could just be something to do with the personality and ideosyncracies of the police officer. You probably already know this anyway.

 

[The Halk]

I reject trash journalism with articles full of:

Claims
According to
Alleged
Unnamed source

The police admit they have KPIs.....which organisation does not? Apparently admitting you have performance indicators is admitting you set policing quotas for officers

They have actual quotes from real police officers in there directly supporting their claims.

What planet are you from if you think that's the same as weasel words like alleged, according to and unnamed source?

 

[Craterloads]

I reject trash journalism with articles full of:

Claims
According to
Alleged
Unnamed source

The police admit they have KPIs.....which organisation does not? Apparently admitting you have performance indicators is admitting you set policing quotas for officers

Did you not see the 2nd link from the non dailymail?

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...morale-is-being-hit-by-quotas-91466-28224744/

Police officers in Cardiff city centre have been threatened with disciplinary action if they do not meet monthly crime quotas, according to a police insider.

An employee of South Wales Police, who did not want to be named, told the Echo officers at Cardiff Central Police Station were under pressure to meet targets.

Let me guess, you dont like the welsh so will dismiss as well?

 

[estebanrey]

The police certainly do have quotas, who's claiming they don't?

Only the other day one of those BBC One cop shows was showing the traffic police who had to catch X number of people on their mobiles phones whilst driving.

 

[scwba06]

It won't be long before parliament pass new IP/ data protection laws especially due to the current Internet usage/ ethics/ censorship debate.

Police powers were a big debate in the 80s hence the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 but there are many interpretations of the discretion that police officers have in using that discretion. S5 Public Order Act for example is a power often used to arrest for numerous minor offenses. Would not suprise me if this data was kept on a national database until someone whose data is kept brings the power into question under judicial review

 

[[TW]Fox]

As I said, make things easier and they'll do it more often.

Then there must be steps to ensure it doesn't become a routine thing. 'Check phone' must not become de-riguer for any suspect of any crime. I don't have a problem with making things more efficient and easier provided that they still only check such things if the suspicion that the phone was used in a crime is reasonable - just like they do at the moment. If this was to change, I'd be against the efficiency savings.

 

[The Halk]

Then there must be steps to ensure it doesn't become a routine thing. 'Check phone' must not become de-riguer for any suspect of any crime.

Welcome to the correct side of the argument

 

[Sin_Chase]

Did you not see the 2nd link from the non dailymail?

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...morale-is-being-hit-by-quotas-91466-28224744/



Let me guess, you dont like the welsh so will dismiss as well?

It was the 2nd link I read, which what you quoted from me applies to. Did you did not even read it yourself? Because it falls foul of exactly what I posted that you quoted.

You also edited in the second link as t was not originally there.

 

[Craterloads]

The police certainly do have quotas, who's claiming they don't?

Only the other day one of those BBC One cop shows was showing the traffic police who had to catch X number of people on their mobiles phones whilst driving.

RDM & Sin_Chase

RDM has unsuprisingly dissapeared since evidence has been supplied.